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Monday, June 12, 2017

arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jun 12 04:45PM -0700

For Wimbledon 2017
Surprisingly Murray starts favorite. Nadal one of the four with an above 10% chance to win.
 
Andy Murray 3.5
Roger Federer 4.0
Novak Djokovic 5.5
Rafael Nadal 6.5
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:18PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:45:34 -0700 (PDT), arahim
>Roger Federer 4.0
>Novak Djokovic 5.5
>Rafael Nadal 6.5
 
my odds today would be more like:
 
fed 3
nadal 4
murray 5
djok 7
raonic 7
kyrgios 7
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:14PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:14:58 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
 
>> djok's results aren't tier I yet IMO. but he does have a claim to HC
>> BOAT.
 
>Djokovic has a claim to HC BOAT?
 
BOAT, not GOAT. be even GOAT, he's not far off. he played some very
good HC stuff.
 
>He has 6 AOs and 2 USOs vs Federer's 5 AOs and 5 USOs. Djokovic isn't the hc BOAT/GOAT/SCHMOAT/or whatever else you want to call it.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:12PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:09:58 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
wrote:
 
>> tournament, but not Ostapenko and now she's gone straight to a slam for
>> her first one.
 
>Awesome. Hope she keeps this up & annoys Bouchard & Sharapova.
 
me too!
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:12PM -0400

sharapova and lendl. :-)
 
bob
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: Jun 12 04:23PM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:55:57 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:53:32 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
 
> > How about Bruce Lee vs. Chuck Norris in "Way of the Dragon" ?
 
> Yeah, I just watched that clip too. The fight itself is a martial arts classic. The death more of a footnote.
 
Probably the only time Chuck Norris played the villain ?
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: Jun 12 04:51PM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:55:57 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:53:32 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
 
> > How about Bruce Lee vs. Chuck Norris in "Way of the Dragon" ?
 
> Yeah, I just watched that clip too. The fight itself is a martial arts classic. The death more of a footnote.
 
Also, Bruce Lee had a fantastic physique. He was relatively small framed, but you always got the feeling that he was tough and was not to be messed with.
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: Jun 12 04:57PM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:29:01 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> But first one that came to mind was:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbX1ZIuD0ac
 
> I especially like the final touch with a knife.
 
Do you like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA7J0KkanzM&t=1m03s ? Or too cheesy ?
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 12 05:10PM -0700

There are so many but a couple off the top of my head:
 
1) Frankenstein (1931) When the Monster picks up the little girl, throws her in the water and she drowns. Not gory in any way but chilling and memorable.
 
2) The Wizard of Oz (1939) The Wicked Witch melting after a bucket of water was thrown on her. Come on, was there anything more memorable in the history of cinema than that scene? If you are a kid watching that it will be etched in your mind forever.
 
3) Many Hitchcock films have good death scenes but two that stand out are obviously the shower scene in Psycho(1960) and although Torn Curtain(1966) is not one of Hitchcock`s best films, it has one of the most notable death scenes when Paul Newman`s character sticks the German agent`s head in an oven.
 
4) The Wicker Man (1973) The policeman being burned alive and consumed by flames in a ritualistic sacrifice ceremony.
 
5) Jaws (1975) Many of the shark attacks such as the opening scene when the woman is skinny dipping I think? Then the shark attack of Robert Shaw's character when he was on the boat and bitten in half by the Great White. Finally, the death scene of the shark itself where the shark exploded and shark parts were flying everywhere.
 
6) Bugsy (1991) When Bugsy was sitting in his home watching a movie reel of himself and he was shot violently multiple times in the back of the head.
 
7) The Fly (1986) When Jeff Goldblum's character was mutating into a human fly and he begged his girlfriend to shoot him.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 12 05:11PM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
 
> 4) The Wicker Man (1973) The policeman being burned alive and consumed by flames in a ritualistic sacrifice ceremony.
 
Memorable indeed.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 12 05:12PM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 6:43:20 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
 
> Bonnie and Clyde
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmUpso_xT8
 
Yes, that's a vivid and great one.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:07PM -0400


>> <http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-1497062679-wgf6ckf1ge-snap-image-photo.html>
 
>And why do many photos with beer indicate that she likes beer?
 
she's got a head shaped like a beer can. 18oz.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:09PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:40:12 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
>pardoning Chelsea Manning). That's why they often do a raft of them at
>the very end of their last term in office, when they are heading out the
>door and it can't do them any political damage.
 
clinton did wonders for the mcdougal's and a host of other financial
elites just before leaving the WH.
 
>are, are two different things. In this case, the president can
>per-emptively pardon someone who is only being investigated for possibly
>having done something.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:10PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:48:11 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
>investigator accountability to the broader political system.
>Investigators can't be fully independent, because that would mean they
>are a power unto themselves.
 
you also don't want biased investigators in a toxic political
environment following investigations down the party lines. certainly
it's a problem.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:07PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:06:04 -0700 (PDT), Manuel aka Xax
>> before the victory speech.
 
>> bob
 
>And it was all sounding "playback", if you see what I mean.
 
there was an american commentator translating it as nadal was speaking
it...
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:05PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT), Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> rios had really beautiful groundstrokes.
 
>> bob
 
>There was a Rios-Agassi match at Miami that I really enjoyed at the time. Agassi/Gilbert had just trash-talked a little about Rios before the match, and Rios went on to win that match. It was beautiful to watch him frequently wrong-foot Agassi, even though it was clear that Agassi had the greater firepower.
 
i believe rios had just achieved the #1 ranking before that match, and
the miami crowd was 90% rios, which is normal in miami to cheer a
latinx. rios played beautifully, ran agassi all over the court.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:05PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:30:39 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>> > There was a Rios-Agassi match at Miami that I really enjoyed at the time. Agassi/Gilbert had just trash-talked a little about Rios before the match, and Rios went on to win that match. It was beautiful to watch him frequently wrong-foot Agassi, even though it was clear that Agassi had the greater firepower.
 
>> I remember that well. Rios TOYED with Agassi. Made him look totally foolish. But as I recall, Rios injured himself and had to retire.
 
>Just checked this and it looks like they played twice in Miami. Rios won the first one and retired in the other. The only other match they played Rios also won, so Agassi never learned how to deal with him.
 
rios used agassi's power against him IMO.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:02PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:03:24 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777
>> latrines at the local tennis club?
 
>> bob
 
>I know you feel sad today. No reason to personal because of that... lol... Bye Bye Sampras! LOL
 
sampras was out of the GOAT race yrs ago. and i'm happy for nadal. you
won't hear me calling people i disagree with "faggot." it's really
shameful of you. sorry for your pain silly guy.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 07:39PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:25:45 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>> :)))))))))
 
>> Fed would have gone in straights yesterday as well.
 
>Whisper called Federer's decision to skip the FO "dumb." Far from it. No way he would have beaten the howler monkey in his favorite dirt pit might have gotten injured besides.
 
we'll see how smart the idea was after wimbledon. definitely this was
rafa's FO, nobody was going to take it from him, but skipping 2 months
of competitive tennis might hurt fed in the end. really a tricky call,
can't predict its outcome.
 
>Meanwhile, the Great Man is working on more important things--grass court prep for Stuttgart with a new haircut that means he's ready for business!
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 07:51PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:59:04 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
 
>> So C1, is your claim that a healthy Stan cannot beat a healthy Nadal at USO?
>> Wanna make sure I understand.
 
>Yes. I don't like Stan's chances to beat a healthy Nadal at any slam. I like Stan's chances to beat Murray and Djokovic. Federer is also a terrible match-up for Stan except for on clay. If it's Fed vs Stan at W or the USO, Stan loses IMO.
 
all else being equal, both guys in top form, fast USO HC would be
favorable for stan > nadal. until i'm proven wrong, i'll stick with
that.
 
bob
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 12 05:00PM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 4:39:05 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> rafa's FO, nobody was going to take it from him, but skipping 2 months
> of competitive tennis might hurt fed in the end. really a tricky call,
> can't predict its outcome.
 
It was smart no matter how he does at Wimbledon. Obviously it was never any guarantee he'd do well (certainly his opponents may have something to say about it), but preserves his body and gives him extra prep time on grass. Losing a few weeks of competitive tennis may or may not do him good, but at his age is IMO the wiser call. Plus must take into account that extensive down time prior to the AO did his skills no damage.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 08:00PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:55:11 -0700 (PDT), Jason White
>> wimbledon, or god forbid 2, it's go a long way to GOATness.
 
>> bob
 
>Tennis is mostly played on the hard surface. Can be mostly attributed to USTA control and influence. But 7 slams to 3 isn't insignificant. 5 year-end titles to 0 should be looked at also. We already knew Nadal is better on clay, ages ago. But how much can Nadal close the gap in other areas? Even Djokovic has advantages in these categories.
 
in my book, much as i like nadal, i would have a hard time putting him
GOAT without another wimbledon, while fed has 7.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 07:58PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:32:23 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
> > On 6/11/2017 11:08 PM, soccerfan777 wrote:
>> It's well known that grass court greats like McEnroe, Edberg and Becker stopped Lendl.
 
>Pat Cash stopped Lendl too.
 
yep, beat his arse like a drum that day. i was pulling for lendl.
 
bob
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 12 04:57PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:28:36 AM UTC+10, RD Carter wrote:
> Good observation ! Nobody cares about AO !
 
Nobody cares about AO ? I am sure more people care about winning AO than any of 60+ non slam/Olympic titles that Nadal won in his career.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 12 07:57PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:55:24 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777
 
>> there's something wrong with you.
 
>> bob
 
>I know it is a sad day for you. You can live in denial for sometime but you will have to eventually accept it. Sampras is no longer relevant. The only record he had of any significance was 14 slams and now even that is surpassed by not one but two champions!
 
you're an idiot, i like nadal and he's my favorite player of the past
decade easily. in fact, probably like him better than sampras. this
isn't a sad day by any stretch and i hope he continues to win.
 
sampras was once the slam champ, and is still the wimbledon king for
now. lendl? cried never winning a wimbledon. like you.
 
bob
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