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Sunday, June 11, 2017

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:18AM -0700

He never thought he will be even in the second place.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:21AM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 1:18:57 AM UTC+10, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> He never thought he will be even in the second place.
 
No, he is now in the fourth place since whimp shifted the goal post a few years ago. Sampras is now behind Fedrer, Laver and Nadal.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 01:22AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:18 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> He never thought he will be even in the second place.
 
I'm thinking Fed will be in second place within 3 yrs?
 
 
 
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StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 11:23AM -0400

On 6/11/2017 11:18 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> He never thought he will be even in the second place.
 
Yes, hard to believe that just 14.5 years after setting the slam record
by a mile, Pete is now in 3rd place.
 
As you say, he probably thought when he died an old man of 80 he'd do so
at #1.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:09AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 6:02:56 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
> On 11/06/2017 10:49 PM, Geeam wrote:
 
> > Everything is set for Nadal. Perfect court, ideal weather. Only if Wawrinka could constantly hit through him, Nadal would be in trouble, but I don't see that happening. So IMO it's most likely Nadal in three. But there are no excuses. If Stan beats Rafa, it would be a monumental achievement.
 
> I endorse this analysis.
 
Nice to know. I hope it's not a paid endorsement.
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 11:21AM -0400

On 6/10/2017 11:05 PM, Court_1 wrote:
 
>> So, there's a pattern there... he doesn't often play consistently enough to actually get through to finals at the majors, but, as we all know, once he does he wins... (so far)...
 
> And that pattern will be broken tomorrow. People are looking at Stan beating Djokovic twice in slam finals and beating a broken down Nadal with a back injury at the AO 2014 and thinking he can never lose a final. The Djokovic match-up for Stan isn't the match-up Nadal is at the FO.
 
> Stan when zoning is a big challenge for anybody but if I'm Nadal, given the superior clay h2h he has over Stan and given that his biggest nemesis to the title is out of the mix(a Dkokovic in good form), I have to be saying to myself I like my chances.
 
Yep, we were all right about this. :)
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:16AM -0700

Rafa roaring. Stan unhinging.
 
:))
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 11 08:19AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:16:38 AM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> Rafa roaring. Stan unhinging.
 
> :))
 
> P
 
 
 
Cometh. thanks
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:10AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 6:07:24 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
"Ten is nothing special, no?"
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:14AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
> On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 6:07:24 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> "Ten is nothing special, no?"
 
Just out of this world. Incredible. La Decima. :))
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 11 08:18AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:14:27 AM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > "Ten is nothing special, no?"
 
> Just out of this world. Incredible. La Decima. :))
 
> P
 
 
 
Awesomer than Lance even
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:17AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 10:02:53 PM UTC+10, Geeam wrote:
> > noticed it at AO and in the hardcourt season. he is less patient, less
> > topspin, less chasing and a little flatter.
 
> That's how smart Federer is. He simply sticks around until his much younger rivals get old and gray and slow.
 
For start Federer is older than all of his rivals, if his rivals are old and gray and slow now then Federer has been old, gray and slow for more than five years.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:08AM -0400


>Stan making nadal look 10x better with his shit playing. Fed would have cleaned his clock already.
 
no doubt fed would've put up a much better match. stan is asleep.
 
bob
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:12AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 7:04:17 AM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> --
> "Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
> -- Charles Cooke
 
:))))))
 
Well, you are watching sporting history. Look at it that way!
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:10AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 6:32:29 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> Sheesh, he's like a sieve out there.
 
Not PEDS.
 
Anti-inflammatory meds to keep the joints moving.
 
That's one reason he locks up at his pressers after big finals or has to limp down the corridors after long tournament runs. The cost he pays for bringing out his greatness.
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 10:36AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:25:23 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
>constitutional power to pardon constitute a criminal obstruction of
>justice? Of course not. Presidents do that all the time."
>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-dershowitz-history-precedent-and-james-comeys-opening-statement-show-that-trump-did-not-obstruct-justice/article/2625318
 
simple common sense that we all knew before. but he even elaborates
that trump had the authority to forcibly stop the flynn investigation,
yet didn't. trump had the authorty pardon flynn, yet didn't.
 
that's why this incessant criticism by media of literally everything
trump does is getting worn. trump's no perfect man, no doubt. trump
has an unappealing personality often, no doubt. but if people want to
complain, save it for something legit. the flynn and russian
"tampering" thing is grasping straws, out in left field, and bad form
for a country with a brand new president. give him a yr for
chrissakes.
 
bob
Metaphysical Punisher <Metaphysical.Punisher@gmail.com>: Jun 11 03:01PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:25:23 -0400, StephenJ wrote:
 
> constitutional power to pardon constitute a criminal obstruction of
> justice? Of course not. Presidents do that all the time."
 
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-dershowitz-history-precedent-and-
james-comeys-opening-statement-show-that-trump-did-not-obstruct-justice/
article/2625318
 
Can Trump pardon himself? He might need to...
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 11:09AM -0400

On 6/11/2017 10:36 AM, bob wrote:
> "tampering" thing is grasping straws, out in left field, and bad form
> for a country with a brand new president. give him a yr for
> chrissakes.
 
Great points. I'm actually embarrassed i engaged TT in semantic debate
over what "hope" meant when legally it doesn't matter even if TT and
Comey are right and Trump was directing him to stop the investigation.
 
Though impeachment is political so it matters in that sense.
 
That said, it obviously is a wrong situation when someone being
investigated can order the investigator not to investigate them, or to
stop investigating someone else because they fear the trail may lead
back to them. Maybe we need Congress to set up a truly 'independent'
agency to do this, but I'm not sure how that would work. Police
departments have independent internal affairs sections to investigate
police. But even special prosecutors can be indirectly fired by the
President, as he can order his AG to fire them, like Nixon did in 1973.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 12:57AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 12:54 AM, StephenJ wrote:
 
The only clear cut surface goat/boat in history - automatic tier 1
goat/boat category.
 
 
 
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StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 11:00AM -0400

On 6/11/2017 10:57 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
>> Yes, three more slams than anyone else's best at any other slam.
 
 
> The only clear cut surface goat/boat in history - automatic tier 1
> goat/boat category.
 
Among men, yes, with women, MN on grass and Serena on HC seem clear-cut
to me.
 
Though I would love to see Rafa play 1978 Borg on clay with wood rackets.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 04:53PM +0200


> Imo that's the key - you can only play as well as your opponent allows.
> Rafa is making Stan look worse than he really is. He can make him look
> like Jesus Christ by feeding him balls in his wheelhouse.
 
 
Like Djokovic did. No shame in losing that AO 5 setter, but those
two finals were pathetic effort and he made Wawrinka look that
great, just like Murray the other day here.
 
Expecting to win against such a hitter by defending is dumb.
 
In Djokovic's defense FO was a lot of pressure, beating Nadal and
Murray before the final, and he was not perfectly match fit at
USO, but it was still a matter of a wrong approach vs Wawrinka.

 
 
Nadal does it right. I'm glad to see no more "Stan doesn't lose
finals" nonsense.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 11:01AM -0400

On 6/11/2017 11:00 AM, StephenJ wrote:
>> goat/boat category.
 
> Among men, yes, with women, MN on grass and Serena on HC seem clear-cut
> to me.
 
OK, i see you said 'boat' as well. MN to me is womens goat on grass, but
not sure about boat.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:06AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:54:22 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
 
>>> glad to see #s 10 and 15.
 
>> Monumental numbers - 10 FO is mind blowing.
 
>Yes, three more slams than anyone else's best at any other slam.
 
MN won 9 wimbledons. so any male. sort of.
 
bob
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 01:07AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:01 AM, StephenJ wrote:
>> to me.
 
> OK, i see you said 'boat' as well. MN to me is womens goat on grass, but
> not sure about boat.
 
That's what I mean about Rafa being the only 'clear cut' surface king -
he's not only completely dominated FO, but just about every clay tournament.
 
With every player we aren't quite sure as the numbers aren't in this
kind of category.
 
 
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:07AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:00:20 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
 
>Among men, yes, with women, MN on grass and Serena on HC seem clear-cut
>to me.
 
>Though I would love to see Rafa play 1978 Borg on clay with wood rackets.
 
yeah, i never thought i'd see a better clay player than borg. rafa's
#s have far surpassed borg's, but i'd love to see them both of the
same era.
 
bob
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