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Sunday, June 11, 2017

StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 10:25AM -0400

Alan Dershowitz explains why:
 
"The president can, as a matter of constitutional law, direct the
attorney general, and his subordinate, the director of the FBI, tell
them what to do, whom to prosecute and whom not to prosecute. Indeed,
the president has the constitutional authority to stop the investigation
of any person by simply pardoning that person.
 
Assume, for argument's sake, that Trump had said the following to Comey:
"You are no longer authorized to investigate Flynn because I have
decided to pardon him." Would that exercise of the president's
constitutional power to pardon constitute a criminal obstruction of
justice? Of course not. Presidents do that all the time."
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-dershowitz-history-precedent-and-james-comeys-opening-statement-show-that-trump-did-not-obstruct-justice/article/2625318
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 12:16AM +1000

He's playing a bit better than even I expected.
 
 
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Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk>: Jun 11 05:21PM +0300

11.6.2017, 17:16, Whisper kirjoitti:
> He's playing a bit better than even I expected.
 
Rafa has been scary good, but Wawrinka has no penetration on his shot
and is making things too easy for Rafa.
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 11 10:22AM -0400

I expected a straight-sets rout, so not surprised so far.
 
 
 
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 12:24AM +1000

I expected straight sets too, but 6-2 3-0 is better start than I thought.
 
 
 
 
 
On 12/06/2017 12:22 AM, StephenJ wrote:
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 11 11:29PM +1000

On 11/06/2017 11:20 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> has done makes you question that.
 
>> Those are critical issues that distort a direct comparison -
 
> Not really. A win is a win is a win.
 
I need something more meaty than 'not really'. It's no more satisfying
than 'methinks'.
 
 
 
 
 
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"A GOAT who isn't BOAT can never become GOAT if he plays alongside BOAT"
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 04:34PM +0300

On 11.6.2017 16:29, Whisper wrote:
 
>> Not really. A win is a win is a win.
 
> I need something more meaty than 'not really'. It's no more satisfying
> than 'methinks'.
Would FU suffice?
 
Seriously, all your efforts are non-starters.
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 10:23AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:12:24 -0700 (PDT), MBDunc
 
>> Not bad, but I have a slight problem with Federer. Tilden & Pancho
>> seemed to be able to win at will, even giving opponents head starts etc.
 
>Fed's absolute numbers are just too good compared to other open era greats. You have to use "soft values" like gutfeelings/methinks/other subjective proritization to degrade his position.
 
i prefer to use "something fishy going on" but not just cause of fed.
cause of fed, nadal, djok all CGS, all very high slam counts, and
even stan winning 3/4 of slams.
 
>> behind in sheer numbers, the quality of their peaks is considered by
>> many (peers & experts) to be best ever stuff.
 
>Those peers and experts are 100y old. Same thing as declaring WW Beetle from '57 the greatest car ever..
 
and maybe 65 mustang or 57 beetle are the greatest though, far better
than any 2015 corolla. you need to consider it. mcenroe, for my money,
had the most raw talent of anyone i've seen. and the most pleasing
game to watch also.
 
bob
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 04:39PM +0300

Good thing. Too bad his own FH isn't firing yet.
 
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"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 04:43PM +0300

On 11.6.2017 16:39, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> Good thing. Too bad his own FH isn't firing yet.
 
Wrinka with 10 UEs in the first 4 games. Most of them FH. Still on serve
though.
 
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"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
heyguys00@gmail.com: Jun 11 06:45AM -0700

Balls flying because of the heat...
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 04:53PM +0300

On 11.6.2017 16:43, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> Good thing. Too bad his own FH isn't firing yet.
 
> Wrinka with 10 UEs in the first 4 games. Most of them FH. Still on serve
> though.
 
Not anymore :(
 
All is lost.
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 11 11:57PM +1000

On 11/06/2017 11:53 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> serve though.
 
> Not anymore :(
 
> All is lost.
 
As expected Rafa has 'unleashed the beast'.
 
Poor Stan : (
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 05:04PM +0300

On 11.6.2017 16:57, Whisper wrote:
 
>> All is lost.
 
> As expected Rafa has 'unleashed the beast'.
 
> Poor Stan : (
 
More Vodka :(
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 10:17AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:57:52 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> All is lost.
 
>As expected Rafa has 'unleashed the beast'.
 
>Poor Stan : (
 
combination of rafa playing rafa tennis and stan rarely playing
aggressively and missing when he does.
 
bob
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 05:14PM +0300

Yup.
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 11 09:16AM -0500

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:14:18 +0300, Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.com> wrote:
| Yup.
|
 
 
Yes. Should anyone be surpised. Nadal is an attacking player, especially that rock solid
backhand or should we call it a two handed forehand?
 
FF
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 11 08:56AM -0500

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:23:15 -0400, bob <bob@nospam.net> wrote:
| On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
|<olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
|
|>On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 7:47:53 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:
|>
|>> >If a player is up a set and 3-0 and loses, it's a choke. A player with a more solid mentality would have won that match. There's no way any player should lose when she is winning by that scoreline.
|>>
|>> i ask you to rethink this, it's ridiculous.
|>>
|>> in order for it to be a choke, the player in the lead must start to
|>> play worse, their game must begin to falter. the opponent raising
|>> their level doesn't indicate a choke.
|>
|>You can ask all you want but it won't matter. At 6-4, 3-0 Halep reverted to her past usual bad body language and poor attitude on court and because of it started to play worse and her head wasn't clear.
|
| ? perhaps her "body language" was when she realized the opponent was
| starting to play better and she knew she couldn't?
|
| i admit she's not a tough competitor, but i have a hard time calling
| yesterday's match a "choke." she was beaten by a better player who was
| entirely in control of the match, win or lose.
|
|> Her negative mentality didn't help her. It was a choke of the highest order despite the fact that Ostapenko also raised her level. Halep should have absolutely won that match with that type of scoreline. Somebody with a more solid mentality wouldn't have let it slip.
|
| bob
 
 
Good post. Yes. I think the Latvian just started to groove a bit. Halep does not have a killer mentality normally. So
choke is a harsh assessment albeit a partial chock perhaps.
 
FF
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 04:31PM +0300

The first serve judged in, HE says it was out!!!
 
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"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 11 11:31PM +1000

On 11/06/2017 11:31 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> The first serve judged in, HE says it was out!!!
 
You're crying already?
 
 
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StephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 11 06:33AM -0700

It was a big call, as Rafa then hit an ace.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jun 11 04:37PM +0300

On 11.6.2017 16:31, Whisper wrote:
> On 11/06/2017 11:31 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> The first serve judged in, HE says it was out!!!
 
> You're crying already?
 
That's what I always do.
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
StephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 11 06:32AM -0700

Sheesh, he's like a sieve out there.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 11 06:35AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 6:32:29 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> Sheesh, he's like a sieve out there.
 
 
PEDS
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 08:08AM -0400

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 17:38:30 -0700 (PDT), SliceAndDice
>> it, so i don't see how it's much different.
 
>> bob
 
>But Fed never projected himself as Humbalito. He has always been a straight shooter. So why judge them on the same yardstick?
 
ok, that's fair enough.
 
but since it's my yardstick, i get to judge. :-)
 
bob
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