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Tuesday, June 27, 2017

Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 10:33AM -0700

https://news.utexas.edu/2017/06/26/the-mere-presence-of-your-smartphone-reduces-brain-power
calimero377@gmx.de: Jun 27 12:06PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 7:33:13 PM UTC+2, Carey wrote:
> https://news.utexas.edu/2017/06/26/the-mere-presence-of-your-smartphone-reduces-brain-power
 
 
Most probably the CIA hides evil mini microchips in all smartphones. So that the government ("they") can control us better.
 
 
Max
heyguys00@gmail.com: Jun 27 10:32AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:34:10 AM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 7:55:29 AM UTC-7, heyg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
> > I'm saying women players don't practice the shots that it would take to beat a male pro, so of course they're never going to beat them (even if they were equally matched physically, which of course they're not). If a woman's ROS is optimized to face 115mph serves because that's best for beating women, why would it be a surprise they're not that great at returning 125mph serves? I'm saying is there is another factor at play along with a mismatch of physical abilities.
 
> I think your reasoning is unsound here. Also, women do often (luckily, get to) practice with men. Surely you know that..
 
You think male hitting partners play the same hitting against a woman pro as a male pro?
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 27 10:34AM -0700

Just saw this article:
 
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/19747505/tennis-world-no-701-dmitry-tursunov-weighs-john-mcenroe-serena-williams-controversy
 
Dmitry Tursunov, ranked No. 701, weighs in on McEnroe-Williams debate
 
Men's world No. 701 Dmitry Tursunov has weighed in on the John McEnroe-Serena Williams controversy, saying he would expect to beat women's No. 3 Williams.
 
McEnroe said Williams would be ranked "like No. 700 in the world" in the men's game, with Williams responding to tell McEnroe to "keep me out of your statements that are not factually based."
 
Now 34-year-old Tursunov has added in on the debate.
 
"I would hope that I would win against Serena," Tursunov told the BBC. "It would be a similar argument to: who would run faster, the fastest woman or the fastest man? Tennis is becoming more and more a physical sport, so it's going to be hard for a woman to beat the men.
 
"It's not black and white. There are lots of factors to take into account. Physically I might not be in the best shape of my life, but as an overall package, I'm much better than my ranking would suggest. She is pregnant, and I'm not.
 
"I've never heard John say anything absolutely stupid. He knows his stuff. What he said about her being an incredible player is correct -- explosive, powerful and she puts in a lot of work. But I would hope that I would win.
heyguys00@gmail.com: Jun 27 10:49AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:34:46 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
 
> "I would hope that I would win against Serena," Tursunov told the BBC. "It would be a similar argument to: who would run faster, the fastest woman or the fastest man? Tennis is becoming more and more a physical sport, so it's going to be hard for a woman to beat the men.
 
> "It's not black and white. There are lots of factors to take into account. Physically I might not be in the best shape of my life, but as an overall package, I'm much better than my ranking would suggest. She is pregnant, and I'm not.
 
> "I've never heard John say anything absolutely stupid. He knows his stuff. What he said about her being an incredible player is correct -- explosive, powerful and she puts in a lot of work. But I would hope that I would win.
 
Tarango once put the cut off at 350. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/10148431/Wimbledon-2013-Serena-Williams-could-only-beat-men-ranked-in-the-300s-not-Andy-Murray-says-Jeff-Tarango.html
 
Forget Serena, I'd rather see Mac play Ostapenko on red clay. He'd get killed if he couldn't ace her.
krisraja777@gmail.com: Jun 27 10:53AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:25:29 PM UTC-5, ahonkan wrote:
> > What no one mentioned in this thread is how mentally weaker women are compared to the men. The number of times they get broken is probably twice more. Their second serves are significantly slower. They also have great trouble getting in positions for good return of serve. So basically they have a more trouble converting offense to defense. And not to mention they dont play 5 sets, so they dont have the stamina to play best of 5 either.
 
> So you think Serena is mentally weaker than the current men's #1 Murray?
> Even Murray will disagree!
 
Mentally weak as in being able to hold one serve and not choke mid match. Serena chokes a lot but eventually pulls out.
krisraja777@gmail.com: Jun 27 10:55AM -0700


> > "I've never heard John say anything absolutely stupid. He knows his stuff. What he said about her being an incredible player is correct -- explosive, powerful and she puts in a lot of work. But I would hope that I would win.
 
> Tarango once put the cut off at 350. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/10148431/Wimbledon-2013-Serena-Williams-could-only-beat-men-ranked-in-the-300s-not-Andy-Murray-says-Jeff-Tarango.html
 
> Forget Serena, I'd rather see Mac play Ostapenko on red clay. He'd get killed if he couldn't ace her.
 
You are joking right. Ostapenko wont be able to return a single McEnroe serve.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 27 07:55PM +0200


>> When did Federer have a chance to optimize his game for vicious
>> lefty topspin?
 
> Uh, that's exactly why Nadal's lefty spin is trouble for Fed... Thanks for making my point. ;-)
 
 
If you want excuses, fine. ;)
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arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jun 27 12:04PM -0700

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
 
> The ranking thing is a no-brainer, though the general public and even a lot of casual tennis viewers don't realize it. In an otherwise sensible response to an article in the Washington Post, a person said that of course Serena would beat the #700 man or even the #100 man but maybe not top 20. I stopped reading there. Anyone who thinks she'd beat #100 is an idiot as far as tennis is concerned.
 
> The feminist writers were quick to cite the 1973 "Battle of the Sexes" as proof that Serena would beat Old McEnroe. They conveniently forget (always) that Old Riggs beat Court before the BJK match. That said, I really don't believe Old Mac would have much chance of beating Serena. I think he could trade shots with her and deal with her serve, but he'd have the same problem Riggs did. BJK decided to run him to death for 3 sets instead of playing serve-and-volley as she normally would. It worked.
 
> Anyway, what struck me most of all is the hostility some of these women have towards someone who just pointed out the obvious. The men's & women's game is hugely different. IMO it's not disparaging Serena's achievements as an athlete, competitor, or champion to do that. It's just a plain truth.
 
Almost all sports were initially played by men and were optimized for male physical characteristics. Women picked up these same sports but the problem is the sport is still optimized for some male physical attributes. So it is unsurprising that men will win these contests more often than not.
 
Some events where the male physical attributes (and it's not just power) are not as important the women do compete in the same events like equestrian where the horse's physical attributes are more important than the riders. Or car racing where the car's physical attributes are more important the drivers.
 
Perhaps in the time to come they will develop new sports that will focus more on the female physical attributes. Gymnastics is an example where some of the men's events are simply different from women's (for example women will have uneven bars and men will have pommel horse and rings).
 
Or take the example of the women's softball pitcher who was bamboozling the major league players who were unable to get bat on ball partly because they had not optimized themselves for that sort of pitch.
 
One may hold up chess as an example (some may not consider it a sport) which has less to do with physical (as in haw the body can and needs to move) attributes where women have still not played at the very top level. It could be that just not as many women have yet tried the sport seriously. But again it may be that chess was optimized for the kind of spatial non-verbal thinking that men are better at which by itself has been a controversial topic ( This does not mean they are better at all kinds of thinking).
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 27 01:40PM -0500

On 6/27/2017 8:21 AM, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
> African-American woman at a Donald Trump campaign rally filed a
> countersuit on Monday claiming the president directed him and other
> supporters to remove protesters.
 
Right, because I'm sure you otherwise assign loads of credibility to
what this nut says? LOL.
 
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 27 01:46PM -0500

On 6/27/2017 8:32 AM, TT wrote:
>> from some liberals these days.
 
> "I'd like to punch him in the face, I tell ya."
> "I will pay for the legal fees. I promise"
 
"Trump's speech is almost certainly protected by the First Amendment.
Lee Rowland, a senior staff attorney for the A.C.L.U., cited several
Supreme Court cases—particularly Brandenburg v. Ohio, which set the
precedent that an individual, whether a raging Klansman or a
civil-rights advocate, can be charged with incitement "only when speech
is intended and likely to cause imminent and serious lawlessness."
Trump, she wrote, did not meet that standard thanks to the Brandenburg
Test, "designed to ensure breathing room for the messy, chaotic, ad
hominem, passionate, and even racist speech that may be part of the
American political conversation."
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:37AM -0700

Fed's at peak!
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jun 27 10:36AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:25:05 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
 
> > > The truth is his form has been incredible all year. If he's making hc slam finals he's playing some of his best tennis. Also, you said repeatedly after the AO final that Nadal's level was high in that final and that Federer grew some balls and outplayed him for once. Don't go back on that now and look like a weasel.
 
> > I knew that Whisp would eventually do that after the AO. He tried to play the good sport for a few weeks about how glad he was to see Federer step up, and all that bullshit. Then after a couple of months, it's Rafa was up 3-1 and let it slip away, Rafa was playing 50% of his FO level (as if the slow red clay weren't a factor in that??). Can't keep the weasel in its den forever I guess.
 
> Ha ha, exactly and he's so predictable. You could see him stewing in his juices and knew this new angle was coming to try and diminish Fed's great AO performance(one he told us over and over was a great and ballsy Fed performance!) Vomit!
 
Croatian euro-trash in Europe, Oz or Bklyn, same shitpile?!? LOL
heyguys00@gmail.com: Jun 27 10:53AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:25:24 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> I am waiting for an answer from TT and Whisper.
> The question again: TT and Whisper say Nadal wasn't in top form when he lost to Federer three times in 2017 but he found his top form when clay started and it's not because nadal is playing on clay (lol).
 
> So will he be top form if he loses on grass or on HC the rest of the year?
 
It'll be the knees...that drumbeat is already starting.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jun 27 10:58AM -0700

Op dinsdag 27 juni 2017 19:01:04 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
 
> You do realize Nadal won IW, Canada, Cincinnati, US Open in 2013?
 
All but IW have yet to take place this year. I'm talking about what happened so far this year in comparison to the same periods in earlier years. When did Rafa have a better run than he has so far this year? Or something at least equal to it? 2005? Take out Fed and he's near perfect, close to unbeatable throughout the first 6 months. Including on hard, his toughest surface historically.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 10:30AM -0700

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf3Kk713A-o&feature=youtu.be
 
Or is he just moaning and groaning and playing possum as usual?
 
Imagine if he doesn't play Wimbledon how lopsided the draw will be.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 27 10:37AM -0700

He has always walked like this in his matches, this means he is taking his practice seriously :)
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 27 07:17PM +0200

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/tennis/3890486/novak-djokovic-vows-
to-help-former-coach-boris-becker-after-german-declares-bankruptcy/
 
 
 
'HE CAN COUNT ON ME' Novak Djokovic vows to help former coach
Boris Becker after German declares bankruptcy
 
Former world No1 also admits his relationship with new adviser
Andre Agassi is still a work in progress ahead of
Wimbledon
 
By Dan King
26th June 2017, 11:05 pm
Updated: 26th June 2017, 11:11 pm
 
NOVAK DJOKOVIC has pledged to help former coach Boris Becker ? but
admits the relationship with new adviser Andre Agassi is still a
work in progress.
Becker was declared bankrupt last week over a £3.34million debt to
a private bank.
 
Novak Djokovic has vowed to help former coach Boris Becker
Djokovic, who won six of his 12 Grand Slams with Becker in his
camp before they split at the end of last year, said: ?We?re
still friends.
Keep up to date with ALL the latest tennis news, gossip and rumours
?Even though we are not working with each other, we are still very
close in terms of communication.
?I love Boris as a person, and as a coach he contributed a lot to
my life and to my career.
?So if I can, you know, be of any help to him, that?s what I told
him, I?m always there for him. He can count on me.?
Boris Becker was declared bankrupt after owing over £3million to a
private bank
 
 
But can Djokovic count on Agassi? That?s the big on-court question
for the former world No1 as he tries to dig himself out a
year-long slump dating back to Wimbledon 2016.
Many in tennis, including John McEnroe, have questioned whether
Agassi can give Djokovic enough of his time and expertise, given
his family and business commitments back home in Las
Vegas.
Agassi left the French Open at the end of the first week, just
before Djokovic crashed out to Dominic Thiem.
And according to the Serb, their informal tie-up will resume only
next weekend, on the eve of Wimbledon.
Andre Agassi is Novak Djokovic?s new advisor
For this week in Eastbourne, where he is playing in the Aegon
International, only his agent Eduardo Artaldi and his physio will
be with him.
Djokovic said: ?Andre will be in London for Wimbledon.
?He will stay as long as I stay in the tournament, so that?s great
news. ?Obviously Roland Garros, the eight or nine days that we
spent together, were very valuable for me to get to know him, to
learn from him.
?We shared a lot of experiences on and off the court, you know,
things that he has been through that I can relate to and vice
versa.
Novak Djokovic admits his relationship with Andre Agassi is still
a work in progress
?So having him around is not only great for myself but also for tennis.
?Getting to know him in Paris, I can see how much he cares about
the game, how much he knows the game.
?I?m just looking forward to spend as much quality time with Andre
as I can.
?For now, you know, we?re going with the flow in a way.
?Andre has a very busy life. He has big family, he lives in West
Coast of America. He?s got his foundation, his businesses, has
many, many things in his life that are consuming a lot of
time.
?First of all, I appreciate all his consideration to work with me
and to be with me.
?So we don?t have anything formal. We don?t have anything signed.
Novak Djokovic is hoping to get his career back on track after a
rollercoaster year
?It?s just as much as he can or he feels to be with me that I
embrace that, I accept that, and I?m grateful for
it.?
For a man whose life on and off the court has been a rollercoaster
ride for the last year, Djokovic is remarkably calm. Perhaps too
calm.
 
McEnroe accused the Serb of basically giving up towards the end of
his straight sets defeat by Thiem in Paris.
Djokovic is clearly willing to try anything to restore his mojo.
 
Having split with Becker and his entire backroom team earlier in
the year, he will now play a pre-Wimbledon event for the first
time since 2010.
Novak Djokovic is at Eastbourne preparing for Wimbledon
He said: ?I honestly don?t know how people reacted to that defeat
because I wasn?t paying attention.
?It was unfortunate for me to end up that match the way I did, but
it happens.
?I?m aware of the fact that I?m not at the level that I was in the
previous years, but, you know, sooner or later this kind of
circumstances and experiences had to happen.
?I have to try to work on the court and off the court in order to
figure out a way how to get back on the desired level.
Novak Djokovic split with Boris Becker and his entire coaching
staff this year
?I?m in the process. How long it?s going to take, I don?t know.
?As I move on, you know, I?m at the same time as confident and
vulnerable as I can be because I?m a human being.
?I learn through this process, and I?m open for any kind of
lessons that life, throws my way.?
Novak Djokovic to have Andre Agassi in his corner throughout Wimbledon
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 27 06:08PM +0200


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You can't post anything gayer than that.
 
Sure let's rate American president Trump based on his standings in
Senegal. :D
Or Russia, Germany, Israel, Japan, whatever.
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 28 02:28AM +1000


>>> I'm sure Serena knows it's true too, I'm sure she plays decent men in training, but her ego wouldn't let her admit it.
 
>> Serena was once asked about playing Murray and she said she'd lose 6-0 6-0 in 5 minutes.
> She can't even be gracious in that. Such a phony. You cannot win 2 sets in 5 minutes.
 
She went on to say 'maybe 10 minutes'.
 
 
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 09:09AM -0700

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/why-ridiculous-official-propaganda-still-works/
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