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Sunday, June 11, 2017

calimero377@gmx.de: Jun 11 09:20AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 5:29:49 PM UTC+2, The Iceberg wrote:
> Wow didn't know that.
 
Why is someone clever if he speaks French?
 
 
Max
Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:04AM -0700

Without any doubt.
 
15 slams and a olympic gold in singles !!
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:19AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 9:04:12 AM UTC-7, Bharath Purohit wrote:
 
> Without any doubt.
 
> 15 slams and a olympic gold in singles !!
 
GOAT at French Open you mean. But each FO he wins underscores further how clay-heavy his resume is. This makes a full TWO-THIRDS of his slams on clay--the grinder's surface.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 09:19AM -0700

> > Ostapenko seems like a cleverer version of Madison Keys.
 
> Who is that? A singer?
 
> Max
 
:))))))))
 
P
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:18AM -0700

I missed the final. But hats off to Nadal. Now he has to win it 2 more times and surpass Court at AO
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:10AM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 2:02:08 AM UTC+10, Bharath Purohit wrote:
> Only Sampras and Rosewell has done that iirc
 
> Federer cant join this list. Lol.
 
But they all won less number of grand slam than Federer.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 04:12PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:10:53 -0700, John Liang wrote:
 
> But they all won less number of grand slam than Federer.
 
Let's not count out Fed for winning slams in 20s, 30s and 40s :)
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 02:18AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 2:12 AM, jdeluise wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:10:53 -0700, John Liang wrote:
 
>> But they all won less number of grand slam than Federer.
 
> Let's not count out Fed for winning slams in 20s, 30s and 40s :)
 
 
 
Good point. He can achieve that by winning 2021 USO?
 
 
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:37AM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 1:30:02 AM UTC+10, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > For start Federer is older than all of his rivals, if his rivals are old and gray and slow now then Federer has been old, gray and slow for more than five years.
 
> Ever heard of sarcasm?
> --
 
Do you understand what is sarcasm ? Clearly the remark made by Gream is not.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 11 07:18PM +0300

On 11.6.2017 14:39, bob wrote:
>> weaker than he was a few years ago. He only got away with it,
>> because no one was really able to put pressure on his game so far.
 
> this is exactly what i said all year.
 
:)
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 11 11:18AM -0500

Conversation just before Fed decided not play FO"
 
 
 
 
Rafa: "Please Roger, do not play FO. You are very baadd..."
 
Roger: "Sure. I would prefer 11 Wimbledons to even a single FO..."
 
Roger: "Be sure to play the whole clay court season... we have to make it look convincing"...
 
Rafa: "Yes. You are a genius Roger"...
 
Roger: "I know. Remember Djokovic is pure evil"...
 
Rafa: "Yes. He is a very baaaaad man. His parents are nasty..."
 
Roger: "Yes said Rafa. We will be brothers forever...."
 
 
They embrace.... albeit Roger has to push Rafa away in slight discomfort.... Rafa has
a sheepish look on his face....
 
 
 
FF
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 05:47PM +0200

> about it: What human could have advised Deep Blue on a better move,
> playing the current world champion? No one, and an average desktop
> computer of today could beat Magnus Carlsen.
 
 
Computers are racists.
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 09:17AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 9:01:02 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> > computer of today could beat Magnus Carlsen.
 
> Computers are racists.
 
> --
 
:))))))))
 
They hate all humans?
 
P
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 02:05AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:58 AM, jdeluise wrote:
 
>> I see Patrick as a hippie, pot-smoking poet. He does add a certain
>> something to this group?
 
> Sure. I like him a lot despite my typically abrasive comments.
 
He seems to be too stoned/happy to take offense & continues producing
poetry.
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 05:33PM +0200


> You'd have to understand the concept of dynamical progression to understand why generations (governed and competitive within a set of principles and 'functions') manifest qualities of differentiation and nuance which allow for incremental movement against given norms. Applied to sports it means that to exact or manifest success (to win) each competitor re-adjusts and redesigns (according to their own ability horizons) competences and variation over time. Given that sports (especially pro sports) also manifests as a (conditional)hierarchy, the elites are constantly 'rivalled' and (to simplify things here) eventually overcome within the game structure (bounds of givenness of technique, strategy, application of elements (equipment) AND personal entropy as well as many other factors. Generations also overlap and create randomizing factors... and etc.
 
> NOTE: Seldom are there clean breakages AND some generations are more resistant to on coming encroachments BECAUSE they themselves are so highly adaptable even over inordinant time periods (in fact that helps define them as beyond exceptional (champions); they are singularities (iconic greatness manifest) a AND BECAUSE they can recreate structures/factors for maintaining 'singularity' (another concept too complex to explain in full).
 
> P
 
Maybe but I don't necessarily feel that e.g. a lion somewhere in
Africa today is a more dangerous alfa predator who bullies other
lions and fights for females, than his predecessor 2 thousands
years ago was.
 
 
More likely that we got, not necessarily most talented even though
they're talented, but what we're seeing is probably most
*motivated* generation of players that keep motivating each other
and push each other.
Like the cycling teams.
 
 
That could mean e.g. sharp decline in quality once they retire,
with having Kyrgios types winning slam or two and then go
partying.
 
 
 
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:14AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:58:57 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
 
> > I see Patrick as a hippie, pot-smoking poet. He does add a certain
> > something to this group?
 
> Sure. I like him a lot despite my typically abrasive comments.
 
Same here. I enjoy his spirit and observations. It's just hard to get through those long posts with dense blocks of text heaped with adjectives and ellipses, and meandering in every direction before arriving at the point--maybe. Like Kerouac writing a sports column, it's not a natural mix.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 02:12AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 2:01 AM, TT wrote:
 
> Fucking incredible.
 
> Rafa was game from the start and never gave Stan a chance. Great
> performance without any lapses whatsoever.
 
 
This is what I expected from Rafa - just thought the set scores would be
a little tighter & a 3hr match not 2.
 
 
 
> Greatest record in tennis ever. As I have said for years this makes Rafa
> GOAT in my book. And as fedfans used to say: whatever he wins in the
> future is "just a bonus".
 
10 FOs is mind blowing really. It's the hardest slam to fluke, & to win
many times. Imo Rafa is the only guy you can clearly say is the best
ever on a tennis surface. Nobody else can say that to the same extent.
 
That means he's automatically in any short list of goat talk.
 
> pretty damn strong. Could sweep rest of the year now that this ultimate
> goal/pressure is done... or perhaps do 'a Djokovic' but I doubt it.
 
> Once again, what an incredible achievement.
 
Rafa has been on a great run for 6 months. Doubtful he can keep this
level going, but hope he can.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 11 07:09PM +0300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY_10rQ2eqs
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 11 09:05AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:48:58 AM UTC-7, Bharath Purohit wrote:
> FUCK OFF RETARDS !!!
 
> VAMOSSSSS RAFAAAAAAA !!!
 
 
Where's Paul?
 
 
"Paul is dead."
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:07AM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 2:05:53 AM UTC+10, Carey wrote:
 
> > VAMOSSSSS RAFAAAAAAA !!!
 
> Where's Paul?
 
> "Paul is dead."
 
Paul is looking for a new keyboard that has a jammed cap lock key.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 04:09PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:07:22 -0700, John Liang wrote:
 
> Paul is looking for a new keyboard that has a jammed cap lock key.
 
He may still be working on that home-made antenna he used to talk about,
probably hasn't been able to pick up the coverage.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 02:07AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:59 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
>> bob
 
> The word on Halep has been she's a self-destructive perfectionist, who can even negatively disect a tournament winning run. She's said to be never satisfied, which through her developmental years was an over all plus. But as she began to win title after title she just got worse and more emotionally invested as well. Part of what Darren Cahill was trying to do was get her to 'just compete' and then 'live with the results', i.e. get a grip on that internal critic and ENJOY the fact she wins a LOT of tennis tournaments, so that she could more freely build up to her best tennis at the pressure filled majors. In a way, getting back to a final was a big step forward. The fact she lost to - as W rightly states - "a newbie", man, that's got to sting. How will she process that. Like being on court with a person who LITERALLY steps past you at/near the top of the line. All the work you did, the price you paid to gain excellence and performance proficiencies and WOOSH-BOOM (Batman theme of the week here on RST Adam West), a just turned 20 year old busts past you. OUCH!
 
> P
 
I watched the 1st episode of '66 Batman today in homage to Adam - holds
up well.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 05:35PM +0200


>>He quits now, no?
 
> they showed moya with a subtitle "coach" during the match.
 
> bob
 
Toni announced this is his last year with Nadal, he was kinda
Vajda
to Becker/Moya during this transition but he's leaving
completely now.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 02:03AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:52 AM, John Liang wrote:
 
>> Rafa's key concern will be the inevitable let down that 'any human' would have to feel emotionally (winning la decima) and physically (the sustained routing of the fields to once again claim masters level/FO). Even for Rafa there has to be a cooling off period, followed by a recovery period. He'll have to break recent patterns and sustain through another months to do the ultimate (win the final or get to the final) at Wimbledon. Massive challenge; AND now NickK and Milos and Zverev step back into the core contenders mix, given their big hitting games and competences for fast(er) court tennis. All are seriously potential stumbling blocks for both Rafa and Roger.
 
>> P
 
> No doubt that it will not be just the three guys you mentioned in the running of Wimbledon, Federer and Murray will also be in the running. For FO there is about two or three players that had genuine chance of winning but at Wimbledon there are more players capable of spoiling the day for higher ranked players.
 
I think Kyrgios will make a move this yr.
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:06AM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 2:03:24 AM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
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So you are giving up on Tomic boy ? He should be very fresh now winning about 4 or 5 matches the whole year and should be well tune for Wimbledon.
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