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Sunday, June 11, 2017

bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:54PM -0400

>> President, as he can order his AG to fire them, like Nixon did in 1973.
 
>How about immediately beginning impeachment proceedings should a
>president partake in such activities?
 
how about immediately beginning impeachment proceedings should a
president partake in eating ketchup on his steak, so long as we
dislike this particular president?
 
give it a rest.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:58PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:05:30 +0100, Brian W Lawrence
>crime or an act against the United States. The president would be
>agreeing that Flynn has committed a serious 'crime'. I doubt he'd want
>to do that.
 
not necessarily.
 
and clinton btw pardoned an incredible # of "business partners."
 
bob
calimero377@gmx.de: Jun 11 12:01PM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:54:37 PM UTC+2, bob wrote:
 
> how about immediately beginning impeachment proceedings should a
> president partake in eating ketchup on his steak, so long as we
> dislike this particular president?
 
No, better wait a little bit longer. At some point the orange clown will make an impeachable mistake. When his favorability rates are around 30 percent Ryan should pull the trigger. Because then Trump's base is leaving him.
 
 
Max
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 07:04PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:54:36 -0400, bob wrote:
 
> how about immediately beginning impeachment proceedings should a
> president partake in eating ketchup on his steak,
 
Or Russian dressing on his salad? ;)
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 07:08PM +0200

>> > Federer's won 94% on non clay surfaces.
 
>> That is two surfaces and three different slams.
 
> Yes, and three slams that all count more than the FO. But skriptis already knew that. He was just being his usual arachnid self.
 
 
Is 66% titles on one surface really worse than 94% of titles on
two surfaces?
 
If you want to talk about balance, honestly, Nadal is second best
ever.
 
So I don't get this "clay heavy resume".
 
 
Federer has won
10 HC × 7 grass × 1 clay
= 70 pts
 
Nadal has won
10 clay × 3 HC × 2 grass
= 60pts
 
Another FO would push him to 66, while another Wimbledon would
push him to 90, surpassing Federer.
 
This is best way to compare versatility without penalizing players
for success on certain surface.
 
70 Federer
60 Nadal
24 Djokovic
12 Connors, Wilander
6 Agassi
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RzR <2r4z0r2@gmail.com>: Jun 11 07:44PM +0200

On 6/11/2017 6:04 PM, Bharath Purohit wrote:
> Without any doubt.
 
> 15 slams and a olympic gold in singles !!
 
ROTFL
 
its like f1 race betting option...winner w/o hamilton...
 
rafa is definitely GOAT w/o FEDEX!!!
RzR <2r4z0r2@gmail.com>: Jun 11 07:48PM +0200

On 6/11/2017 7:08 PM, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Another FO would push him to 66, while another Wimbledon would
> push him to 90, surpassing Federer.
 
 
you are a moron...only thing that would have him surpass federer is
winning 19 grand slams...so 4 more to go...not an unimaginable feat....
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 06:01PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:08:40 +0200, *skriptis wrote:
 
> This is best way to compare versatility without penalizing players
> for success on certain surface.
 
Cool, so if Fed wins FO next year he gets to 140?
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 06:08PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:01:03 +0000, jdeluise wrote:
 
 
>> This is best way to compare versatility without penalizing players
>> for success on certain surface.
 
> Cool, so if Fed wins FO next year he gets to 140?
 
And Sampras has a cool 0.... nice system you've got there *skriptis!
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 11 11:26AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 10:48:19 AM UTC-7, RzR wrote:
> > push him to 90, surpassing Federer.
 
> you are a moron...only thing that would have him surpass federer is
> winning 19 grand slams...so 4 more to go...not an unimaginable feat....
 
Even that wouldn't do it with such a high percentage of those slams on clay. Just think, if all he did was add 4 more FOs, then 73% of his slams would be on the grinder's surface. He'd be increasing his slam count, yes, but the disparity would become more glaring with each one unless he wins some more of them off clay. Maybe that will happen. I tend to doubt it. Especially not with all the "injuries," time off, and mysterious huge fluctuations in form.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:44PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:19:43 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>> Without any doubt.
 
>> 15 slams and a olympic gold in singles !!
 
>GOAT at French Open you mean. But each FO he wins underscores further how clay-heavy his resume is. This makes a full TWO-THIRDS of his slams on clay--the grinder's surface.
 
this is true, and for me, a problem. i said for quite a while when fed
had 17, nads 14 that nadal could catch him with 16 but it had to be
another wimbledon + HC. flip side, he does have at least 2 on all
surfaces, plus an OG so that's in his favor. but i don't see 18 slams
coming from him unless he wins another this yr.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:45PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:20:30 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777
 
>So Whisper and Bob can fuck off now. He is clearly greater than Sampras
 
why all the anger today? besides, 7 wimbledons still sits pretty high
up the ladder. nobody has more of lendl's dream trophy.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:50PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>> you are a moron...only thing that would have him surpass federer is
>> winning 19 grand slams...so 4 more to go...not an unimaginable feat....
 
>Even that wouldn't do it with such a high percentage of those slams on clay. Just think, if all he did was add 4 more FOs, then 73% of his slams would be on the grinder's surface. He'd be increasing his slam count, yes, but the disparity would become more glaring with each one unless he wins some more of them off clay. Maybe that will happen. I tend to doubt it. Especially not with all the "injuries," time off, and mysterious huge fluctuations in form.
 
i don't think rafa should necessarily be "penalized" for winning so
much on 1 surface, but he should be panalized for a low wimbledon
count. i'm not going to get into the critique of "grinder's surface"
vs "servers surface" type things, but there is a problem with low
wimbledon count. it's the lone most important tournament.
 
should rafa win a 3rd wimbledon, get to 17-18 count, plus with his OG
and H2H, i could give a nod for GOAT. but that's not happening.
 
bob
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jun 11 11:59AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 2:50:12 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> should rafa win a 3rd wimbledon, get to 17-18 count, plus with his OG
> and H2H, i could give a nod for GOAT. but that's not happening.
 
> bob
 
They are all great players, all opinions are subjective, but surely Rafa the greatest clay court player, Pete and Fed greatest grass and fast hc players, Novak slow hc best???
 
If we met off court doubt if Fed or Rafa gave us sweat off their balls, who cares?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 08:41PM +0200


>> you are a moron...only thing that would have him surpass federer is
>> winning 19 grand slams...so 4 more to go...not an unimaginable feat....
 
> Even that wouldn't do it with such a high percentage of those slams on clay. Just think, if all he did was add 4 more FOs, then 73% of his slams would be on the grinder's surface. He'd be increasing his slam count, yes, but the disparity would become more glaring with each one unless he wins some more of them off clay. Maybe that will happen. I tend to doubt it. Especially not with all the "injuries," time off, and mysterious huge fluctuations in form.
 
I think you're not that dumb to suggest Nadal winning *more FO*
titles from now on, takes anything away from his non-FO
accomplishments which are in the Edberg, Becker, Agassi
league?
 
He's second most surface versatile player ever, under fully
objective metric.
 
60pts vs Fed's 70pts.
 
"Clay heavy resume" is a sour grapes, his two thirds on clay are
not much worse than Federer's 94% on two surfaces.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 08:43PM +0200


>> This is best way to compare versatility without penalizing players
>> for success on certain surface.
 
> Cool, so if Fed wins FO next year he gets to 140?
 
Yes, and wouldn't FO for him be huge? In surface terms.
 
7543 is another thing.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 08:47PM +0200

>>> for success on certain surface.
 
>> Cool, so if Fed wins FO next year he gets to 140?
 
> And Sampras has a cool 0.... nice system you've got there *skriptis!
 
 
He's not 0.
We reward "best performance" with 0.5 finals, 0.3 SF, 0.2 QF.
 
Sampras is 14,7
 
 
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Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Jun 11 12:03PM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 10:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> 24 Djokovic
> 12 Connors, Wilander
> 6 Agassi
 
Federer's best slam tournament is Wimbledon. He's got eleven wins away from it. Djokovic has six away from Australia. Nadal five away from Paris. Sampras seven away from Wimbledon.
 
Never heard of anyone penalizing for success. For lack of success somewhere, that's just how it goes. Nadal is super dominant in Paris, but must be considered relatively weak elsewhere. He doesn't really have a second slam on which he can be called an all-time great. No amount of French Opens can change that. Only wins on those other surfaces can.
 
You don't have to agree with this. But I think a minimum of three trophies is needed to get in the door of conversation for all-time great at a particular slam. Five is when someone has achieved dominance. The ideal "goats" win twenty and as close to 5 each as possible. Probably too tough a standard for the men's game, but let's hope for someone in the future to get 7-7-3-3. Or 8-6-3-3. 10-5-3-2: ok let's put that out there for Nadal. Running out of time, though.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:39PM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:23:13 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777
 
>Nadal is better and greater than Sampras now
 
nothing to recover from. i hope nadal keeps on going. sampras
accomplished what he wanted to and broke a many decades old slam race,
and century old wimbledon race.
 
bob
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 06:43PM

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:39:12 -0400, bob wrote:
 
> nothing to recover from. i hope nadal keeps on going. sampras
> accomplished what he wanted to and broke a many decades old slam race,
> and century old wimbledon race.
 
But according to *skriptis' new system, Pete has a fat 0...
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:57PM -0400

>> accomplished what he wanted to and broke a many decades old slam race,
>> and century old wimbledon race.
 
>But according to *skriptis' new system, Pete has a fat 0...
 
pete has 14 slams, 7 wimbledons. earned during a day when slams were
scarce. nothing to worry about.
 
bob
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 08:48PM +0200

>> accomplished what he wanted to and broke a many decades old slam race,
>> and century old wimbledon race.
 
> But according to *skriptis' new system, Pete has a fat 0...
 
It's a surface versatility meter.
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 02:53PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 02:03:19 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>>> P
 
>> No doubt that it will not be just the three guys you mentioned in the running of Wimbledon, Federer and Murray will also be in the running. For FO there is about two or three players that had genuine chance of winning but at Wimbledon there are more players capable of spoiling the day for higher ranked players.
 
>I think Kyrgios will make a move this yr.
 
i was kinda thinking he would too. he had fed beat in that 1 HC match
earlier, miami maybe?
 
bob
grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com>: Jun 11 07:16PM +0100

On 11/06/2017 16:45, Garvin Yee wrote:
> fair and square....he just couldn't admit it at the time. Just think
> about it: What human could have advised Deep Blue on a better move,
> playing the current world champion? No one, and an average desktop computer of today could beat Magnus Carlsen.
 
Since there's apparently going to be a movie based on their famous match (http://en.chessbase.com/post/disney-to-produce-film-on-kasparov-vs-deep-blue-300913), I might keep an eye out for Kasparov's "Deep Thinking: Where Machine Intelligence Ends and Human Creativity Begins".
http://www.kasparov.com/dennis-hassabis-reviews-deep-thinking-april-26th-2017/
 
I liked the story of a new mysterious player called "Master" appearing out of nowhere and crushing the very best players in online games of Go (even more complex than chess!). This mysterious challenger turned out to be fucking AlphaGo, lol.
https://qz.com/993147/the-awful-frustration-of-a-teenage-go-champion-playing-googles-alphago/
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 04:32PM

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 02:27:00 +1000, Whisper wrote:
 
> No.1 is not a big deal for Rafa's legacy - unless he can finish yr-end
> No.1.
 
Winning YEC for the first time would be nice for him too.
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