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Saturday, June 10, 2017

Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 07:47PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 9:39:07 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

> going to be some motherfucking great tennis so win/win.
 
> My instincts tell me Stan has 1 chance in 10 of winning this match,
> which is still a reasonable chance.
 
Please don't talk about your gut instinct or your "feeling" because every time you do, that person loses! :)
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 07:56PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:27:37 AM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 

> - murray VS nadal would IMO be 99% odds on rafa winning, likely 3
> sets.
 
> bob
 
Federer and Djokovic aren't Nadal at the FO. You keep saying Stan did this and that to Federer and Djokovic on clay but it's a dumb comparison to Nadal on clay. Nadal won't let Wawrinka do to him what he did to Djokovic at the FO 2015. I think Wawrinka will come to play and may even win the first set but eventually Nadal will wear him down with a mixture of offense and defense. Let's see.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 07:57PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 1:55:53 PM UTC-4, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > I don't care what you told Stan. Stan won't beat Nadal. Nadal will wear him down and frustrate him and he'll start spraying errors. If Stan gets a set it will be a good outcome for him.
 
> Courty, do you think the pressure of going for the 'la decima' will be an issue for Rafa?
 
> P
 
NO.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 08:05PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 2:02:49 PM UTC-4, Patrick Kehoe wrote:

> So, there's a pattern there... he doesn't often play consistently enough to actually get through to finals at the majors, but, as we all know, once he does he wins... (so far)...
 
And that pattern will be broken tomorrow. People are looking at Stan beating Djokovic twice in slam finals and beating a broken down Nadal with a back injury at the AO 2014 and thinking he can never lose a final. The Djokovic match-up for Stan isn't the match-up Nadal is at the FO.
 
Stan when zoning is a big challenge for anybody but if I'm Nadal, given the superior clay h2h he has over Stan and given that his biggest nemesis to the title is out of the mix(a Dkokovic in good form), I have to be saying to myself I like my chances.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 08:12PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 2:12:42 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

> Rafa has better defense that can handle Wawrinka assaults but it's proven specially when Nadal got a little older that the defensive player can't maintain the same level for long five sets and the aggressive player prevails.
 
> This happened with Murray yesterday where Wawrinka was supposed to win in str8 sets.
 
LOL @ you comparing Nadal on clay to that clod Murray on clay. Nadal is not the defensive player Murray is on clay. Nadal has a killer mix of offense and defense which can neutralize Stan's weapons. Nadal has improved some of his arsenal in order to compensate for his slight decline in movement, i.e. his serve and bh have improved!

> Another thing I mentioned I spotted moments where Nadal gets nervous for no reasons, and he just looked like a mess. This happened few times and lasted a minute or two when he was winning in str8 sets, so wondering how he will play if he is really pressured. He was not tested and Thiem he defeated was beaten 1 & 0 by djokovic last week.
 
Stan has moments where he loses focus too.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:59PM -0700

> Stan has moments where he loses focus too.
 
How many posts did you post that Nadal will beat Wawrinka? Don't you get bored?
 
So are you going to watch the match? No need to watch because based on the number of your posts you have no doubt that Wawrinka is going to win.
 
Do you have your tomorrow posts ready? That post "I told you Wawrinka has no chance"?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 04:48PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > you really love her. those long legs and that blonde head of hair.
> > poor guy.
 
> Maybe he can focus more on the cold eyes from now on.
 
lol.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 10 07:57PM -0400

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:42:44 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>> you really love her. those long legs and that blonde head of hair.
>> poor guy.
 
>Maybe he can focus more on the cold eyes from now on.
 
well since she's skipping wimbledon and leaving him stranded on a
lonely street corner, i suppose that'd be fair.
 
bob
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:58PM -0700

I do love long legs. I don't care for the color of hair. I like long hair.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 07:19PM -0700

It's doubtful Halep will have another chance like this one to win a slam. She had the perfect set of circumstances at this FO: A draw she could navigate, no Serena and Sharapova in her way, she was in the best clay form coming into the event, she was up in the final a set and 3-0, etc.
 
I had never seen Ostapenko play and when I saw her match vs Bacsinszky I said to myself "uh-oh!" and knew that Halep could be blown off the court. I even posted that right after that SF match. Halep handles the power player Pliskova fine but Pliskova is a mental midget and this Ostapenko looked like she had the necessary fire in her eyes and killer strokes.
 
Halep is missing that ingredient which makes one a slam champion. Look at counterpuncher Kerber and how she stepped up to the plate twice to win slams beating Serena in one of them. That's how it's done.
 
Oh well. Halep made $1 million today so it's not all bad.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 10 07:56PM -0700

> Just curious, what do you like about her game?
 
lol, good question:)
Nothing really, maybe it was the wish to see a short hard working woman player to prevail :)
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:15PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:56:13 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Just curious, what do you like about her game?
 
> lol, good question:)
> Nothing really, maybe it was the wish to see a short hard working woman player to prevail :)
 
That's fair. I do not dislike her myself, just find her game incredibly boring. :)
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:43PM -0700

> That's fair. I do not dislike her myself, just find her game incredibly boring. :)
 
Makes me respect Henin game, style and talent more and more.
Garvin Yee <drsmith004@gmail.com>: Jun 10 07:31PM -0700

They flashed it on the screen briefly, and it
was roughly 50 winners, 50 UEs for Ostapenko, and
about 8 winners, 8 UEs for Halep, which obviously
shows the difference in style.
 
But it was good for tennis that the more aggressive player
ultimately won.
 
Tigran Pertrosian was a World Chess Champion, who played a
mostly defensive style, which although it made him an extremely
difficult man to beat, it caused most of his games to end with a
draw, which put the chess world to sleep.
 
Too much defense leading to boring games....which is the same
for tennis.
 
Ditto for the boxing world with Floyd Mayweather, who remained
undefeated with many unanimous decisions, but never had the knockout
excitement of a Mike Tyson.
 
Congrats to Ostapenko....let's hope she keeps it up....
 
 
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Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:18PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:32:32 PM UTC-4, Garvin Yee wrote:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/34735015@N03/sets/72157623566520134/
 
> http://fineartamerica.com/art/all/garvin+yee/all
 
> https://www.facebook.com/garvin.yee.37
 
Bobby Fischer beat Petrosian 6-0 ???? In the prelims, beat Spassky 6 1/2 - 2 1/2 ??? To win it all?
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:18PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:32:32 PM UTC-4, Garvin Yee wrote:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/34735015@N03/sets/72157623566520134/
 
> http://fineartamerica.com/art/all/garvin+yee/all
 
> https://www.facebook.com/garvin.yee.37
 
Bobby Fischer beat Petrosian 6-0 ???? In the prelims, beat Spassky 6 1/2 - 2 1/2 ??? To win it all?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:24PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:32:32 PM UTC-4, Garvin Yee wrote:
> undefeated with many unanimous decisions, but never had the knockout
> excitement of a Mike Tyson.
 
> Congrats to Ostapenko....let's hope she keeps it up....
 
I finally got around to watching the match. I was surprised to see many people comment here that Halep choked. To be honest, I never felt that the match was on Halep's racquet at any point of time. 108 points were decided by Ostapenko winners or errors. Halep herself admitted that she was a mere spectactor for much of the match. She could have taken some more of the initiative herself and to her credit she tried, but I do not think she has the tools or the mindset to do so.
 
Ostapenko..well...I stand with the Seles comparison. She has the Seles-like talent to take the ball on the rise and find incredible angles from impossible positions. She also seems to have a lot of upper body strength and I saw her absolutely pounding some high balls. Some of her winners had me gasping for sheer imagination and audacity. But, UNLIKE Seles, she has not displayed the patience to construct points and pulls the trigger far too quickly and unnecessarily, at times. It could be that the pressure of her first slam final got to her, but I suspect that it is her natural instinct. I hope her coach helps her tame that instinct a bit (not too much, I like her aggressive style), bring some variety into her game and help her improve her second serve. She could go places, if led in the right direction.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 08:31PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 11:24:26 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> I finally got around to watching the match. I was surprised to see many people comment here that Halep choked. To be honest, I never felt that the match was on Halep's racquet at any point of time.
 
You don't think Halep choked when she was up a set and 3-0? *confused*
 
 

> Ostapenko..well...I stand with the Seles comparison. She has the Seles-like talent to take the ball on the rise and find incredible angles from impossible positions. She also seems to have a lot of upper body strength and I saw her absolutely pounding some high balls. Some of her winners had me gasping for sheer imagination and audacity. But, UNLIKE Seles, she has not displayed the patience to construct points and pulls the trigger far too quickly and unnecessarily, at times. It could be that the pressure of her first slam final got to her, but I suspect that it is her natural instinct. I hope her coach helps her tame that instinct a bit (not too much, I like her aggressive style), bring some variety into her game and help her improve her second serve. She could go places, if led in the right direction.
 
I agree with you about the Seles comparison. What Ostapenko needs to develop asap is a much better serve, first and second.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 08:33PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 11:31:46 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 11:24:26 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> > I finally got around to watching the match. I was surprised to see many people comment here that Halep choked. To be honest, I never felt that the match was on Halep's racquet at any point of time.
 
> You don't think Halep choked when she was up a set and 3-0? *confused*
 
Nope. Ostapenko made her shots when it mattered. The match was never on Halep's racquet as I said.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 08:22PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 9:45:38 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > But in that post from the past I merely asked the question at the time, i.e. will the Wawrinka win over Nadal at the AO be the new normal? Wawrinka and Nadal haven't played in a slam since that 2014 AO so we don't know the answer. I was also merely questioning Wawrinka vs Djokovic at the time and whether Wawrinka could continue to beat Djokovic. I didn't say he wouldn't. We got the answer to the Wawrinka-Djokovic match-up in future slams but we won't know about Wawrinka-Nadal until Sunday.
 
> Did you get your answer for "Same goes with Wawrinka vs Djokovic. Will his win over Djokovic be the new norm in their match-up? "?
 
Yes, I got my answer to my question at the time about Stan vs Djokovic and tomorrow I'll get my answer about Stan vs Nadal. If Stan can take out Nadal in this form at the FO it will be the best win of his career.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 08:26PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 2:58:14 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> i don't think he ever catches 18 even with a win tomorrow. would be
> nice though.
 
> bob
 
Especially since Federer will win #19 at Wimbledon this year! ;)
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 07:26PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 12:05:06 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
 
> > Nope.
 
> Yes she is...
 
You can call Halep more consistent but she isn't better or greater than Ostapenko when Ostapenko can waltz into a slam final for her first time and kill it to win the title while Halep remains slamless.
 
The only question now is whether Ostapenko will be the real deal and can continue to win slams or if she will be the next one-slam wonder Muguruza. If Ostapenko can improve her serve and she can continue being motivated she'll be brutal to have to face. Her tennis really does look a lot like Seles'.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 07:37PM -0700


> Evert won half her slams in the 80s...
 
Evert could win multiple slams today in this field, are you kidding me? She'd blow through this field. She had a phenomenal champion's mentality with nerves of steel, one of the best of all time and that's why she was a favorite of mine when I was a kid. Because it showed me that you could do anything if you put your mind to it. If she were in Halep's position today, believe me she wouldn't have lost. They showed Evert in the crowd for the Halep-Ostapenko match and she must have been cringing at Halep's lack of balls.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 11 11:33AM +1000

On 11/06/2017 11:22 AM, Yama wrote:
> 10.6.2017, 20:21, *skriptis kirjoitti:
>> The Ukrainian has been fantastic to watch.
 
> Who's Ukrainan? (Other than Yury, obviously.)
 
1st Latvian slam champ I believe?
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 03:39AM +0200

> 10.6.2017, 20:21, *skriptis kirjoitti:
>> The Ukrainian has been fantastic to watch.
 
> Who's Ukrainan? (Other than Yury, obviously.)
 
What Yury
?
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