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Thursday, June 22, 2017

tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 22 11:33AM -0700

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 9:36:37 AM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
 
> Got a cite for that?
 
> :-)
 
> > I guess we could give you guys a "participation trophy" if that makes you feel better.
 
https://www.opensecrets.org/
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:39AM -0700


>>> I guess we could give you guys a "participation trophy" if that makes you feel better.
 
> https://www.opensecrets.org/
 
Which states very clearly that the Republicans spent even more...
 
...but I guess to you that doesn't count, right?
tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 22 11:40AM -0700

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 9:51:54 AM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
> > low approval numbers.
 
> You do recognize the difference between a prediction based on a poll...
 
> ...and the results of the poll itself, right?
 
I do, do you?
 
 
> Fact: ALL the polls show that Trump's approval rating has fallen.
 
Fact: most "journalists" are liberal Dimocrats and Trump's news coverage has been overwhelmingly negative, including totally fake stories.
 
So why would you expect anything different?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:43AM -0700

On 2017-06-22 11:39 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> :-)
 
> Google most expensive campaign.
 
> It was widely reported.
 
Not my job.
 
But it's not clear that "tom" isn't interested in the whole picture,
because his link shows that the Republicans outspent the Democrats.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:44AM -0700


>> You do recognize the difference between a prediction based on a poll...
 
>> ...and the results of the poll itself, right?
 
> I do, do you?
 
Yup. Clearly you don't if you think you can dismiss a poll's results by
citing an analysts predictions based on poll results.
 
 
>> Fact: ALL the polls show that Trump's approval rating has fallen.
 
> Fact: most "journalists" are liberal Dimocrats and Trump's news coverage has been overwhelmingly negative, including totally fake stories.
 
What "totally fake" stories?
 
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:50AM -0700

On 2017-06-22 11:40 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> ...and the results of the poll itself, right?
 
>> Fact: ALL the polls show that Trump's approval rating has fallen.
 
> No, what is the difference?
 
The difference is that a poll tells you with a certain statistical level
of accuracy what people believe, think or feel about certain things.
 
A prediction about election results attempts to take that information
and predict what they will DO.
 
But polls don't suffer from gerrymandering or the intentional prevention
of certain demographics from exercising their franchise (as has been
found to have happened by the courts).
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 22 03:42PM -0400

On 06/22/2017 11:57 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
 
>> BWHAHAHHA! You are quite the left-wing propaganda enthusiast.
 
> What are yo saying, Mikey?
 
> Are you claiming that that wasn't said?

 
Mike is an idiot. This is all he knows how to do.
tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 22 11:31AM -0700

> Downsides. Elimination of the individual mandate is a mistake. There will be more young/healthy people gaming the system. Choosing to go uninsured and then showing up in the ER, using bankruptcy as a means to escape the bill.
 
The individual mandate has, effectively, already been eliminated (it's not being enforced).

 
> Older people will pay more for health insurance but younger people will pay less. I'm 58 so I can expect to pay more.
 
The only way insurance works is if the insured pay for the risk of being insured. Making the young pay for the old will just drive the young out of the market. On the plus side you pay LESS for auto insurance than the young.
 
 
> Subsidies will not be solely based on income but on age. Conceivably, a millionaire could get a subsidy.
 
> Finally, Obama care taxes are being eliminated. That will not be a benefit to most Americans.
 
ALL taxes end up being paid for by consumers, they are just hidden in higher prices of goods and services.
 
 
> If I were to write the bill, I would allow for insurance companies to be creative with coverages but maintain the individual mandate and the taxes, keeping subsidies for those who need it. I would do away with the expansion of Medicaid.
 
This is not the final version, it will be amended, so call or write your congressperson.
 
 
> Interesting times ahead. It's pathetic that the Democrats and their presstitutes will nitpick this to death without offering any solutions on their own. Perhaps a few will break away from their so-called leadership.
 
I think that is in their DNA, but we shall see.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 22 03:36PM -0400

On 06/22/2017 01:47 PM, Dene wrote:
 
> Finally, Obama care taxes are being eliminated. That will not be a benefit to most Americans.
 
> If I were to write the bill, I would allow for insurance companies to be creative with coverages but maintain the individual mandate and the taxes, keeping subsidies for those who need it. I would do away with the expansion of Medicaid.
 
> Interesting times ahead.
 
The point of this bill is tax cuts for the Republican donor class, which it will definitely provide if it manages to pass.
 
> It's pathetic that the Democrats and their presstitutes will nitpick this to death without offering any solutions on their own. Perhaps a few will break away from their so-called leadership.

Trollin' trollin' trollin'...
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 11:39AM -0500


> You're the one that has their head up their ass. Dims spent the MOST MONEY IN HISTORY to try to win a congressional seat and they FAILED. Period. Dims are so upset that they are now talking about booting Pelosi, which is the first sign of intelligence I have seen from them in many years. You are one of those saying "We are doing the right thing, we just need to do more of it."
 
> I guess we could give you guys a "participation trophy" if that makes you feel better.
 
Also the polls showed they would win. Like they show Trump with
low approval numbers.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 01:35PM -0500

golf with a rump sell out <golfbum18@gmail.com> Wrote in message.
 
> They had an entire health care programs as a solution. Let the shit for brains repugs pass it and watch them fall flat on their faces. But I'm certain that they will continue, after o-care is gone, blaming the health care problems on it and not their piece of shit toss-together.
 
Obamacare was not a solution. It failed. It failed at a very
costly price.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 01:39PM -0500


> "MOST MONEY IN HISTORY"?
 
> Got a cite for that?
 
> :-)
 
Google most expensive campaign.
 
It was widely reported.
 
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 01:40PM -0500


> You do recognize the difference between a prediction based on a poll...
 
> ...and the results of the poll itself, right?
 
> Fact: ALL the polls show that Trump's approval rating has fallen.
 
No, what is the difference?
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 02:20PM -0500

> dishonesty.'"
 
> Again, for the edification of you wingnuts, that isn't an anonymous source.
 
> :-)
 
When did Trump say he had tapes?
 
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 02:22PM -0500


>> https://www.opensecrets.org/
 
> Which states very clearly that the Republicans spent even more...
 
> ...but I guess to you that doesn't count, right?
 
Where is that stated?
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 22 02:25PM -0500


> But polls don't suffer from gerrymandering or the intentional prevention
> of certain demographics from exercising their franchise (as has been
> found to have happened by the courts).
 
So how does that impact the polls being wrong? It doesn't.
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Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:57AM -0700

'After weeks of working in secret, Senate Republicans finally unveiled
their bill to repeal much of Obamacare on Thursday, legislation that
would likely leave tens of millions of Americans uninsured. President
Trump, however, attended to more pressing matters on Twitter—namely, his
persistent, inexplicable belief that Russia's interference with last
year's election is "a big Dem HOAX!"
 
Just yesterday, former Homeland Security chief Jeh Johnson told the
House Intelligence Committee that Russia launched an "unprecedented"
attack on the US electoral process at President Vladimir Putin's behest,
a conclusion publicly supported by every American intelligence agency.
But the Russia-hack-truther-in-chief was having none of it.
 
"By the way, if Russia was working so hard on the 2016 Election, it all
took place during the Obama Admin. Why didn't they stop them?"
 
"...Why did Democratic National Committee turn down the DHS offer to
protect against hacks (long prior to election). It's all a big Dem HOAX!"'
 
<http://gizmodo.com/the-russia-hack-truther-has-logged-on-1796331219>
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:55AM -0700

'U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday he did not make and does
not possess any tapes of his conversations with James Comey, after
suggesting last month that he might have recordings that could damage
the former FBI director.
 
"With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts,
unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea whether
there are 'tapes' or recordings of my conversations with James Comey,
but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings," Trump wrote
on Twitter.'
 
<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN19D1TU>
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:52AM -0700

"Ethically challenged former US Congressperson Newt Gingrich has
proclaimed Donald Trump a liar. Gingrich claims there are no tapes of
Trump strong-arming former FBI Director James Comey, it was an
uncalculated bluff.
 
'President Trump is supposed to reveal this week, six weeks after making
the initial suggestion, whether he actually has tapes of his White House
conversations. Trump last month wielded those potential tapes as a very
thinly veiled threat against former FBI director James B. Comey. And
ever since then, he and the White House have decided to withhold the
truth from the American people, refusing to answer a simple yes-or-no
question.
 
But Newt Gingrich just gave away the game, for all intents and purposes.
In an interview with the Associated Press, the Trump-backing former
House speaker basically admits that Trump was just bluffing to try to
get inside Comey's head.
 
"I think he was in his way instinctively trying to rattle Comey,"
Gingrich said. "He's not a professional politician. He doesn't come back
and think about Nixon and Watergate. His instinct is: 'I'll outbluff you.'"
 
Apparently not being a "professional politician" is a license for
dishonesty.'"
 
Again, for the edification of you wingnuts, that isn't an anonymous source.
 
:-)
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:54AM -0700

On 2017-06-22 11:52 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> dishonesty.'"
 
> Again, for the edification of you wingnuts, that isn't an anonymous source.
 
> :-)
 
<http://boingboing.net/2017/06/22/newt-gingrich-admits-trump-lie.html>
 
'via WaPo'
 
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/22/gingrich-just-admitted-trump-was-being-dishonest-about-white-house-tapes-because-nothing-matters/?utm_term=.7d33bcbf8412>
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:45AM -0700


>> I told you: it starts with your position.
 
>> Why won't you answer?
 
> Which is why I exposed you as a FRAUD!
 
Why are you so afraid to answer?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:45AM -0700


>> There has never been a president in history who word was and words were
>> worth so little.
 
> Try Barack Obama, the ONLY president in history to get LIAR OF THE YEAR award.
 
Cite...
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 22 11:45AM -0700


>> You mean with the Republicans in charge?
 
>> How would that work, Michael?
 
> It is called "bipartisan negotiation." I realize that Dims haven't done that for many years and may have forgotten how.
 
You mean like the "bipartisan negotiation" the Republicans did while
Obama was in office that consisted of blocking everything they could?
BK@Onramp.net: Jun 22 01:44PM -0500


>> >I haven't seen proof of ANYTHING.
 
>> Then you really are stupid. Blind to reality is more like it.
 
>Typical libtard response: total crap.
 
No crap at all. He's been outed by dozens of people, the TV media and
newspapers. Anyone that doesn't believe that he is a liar is full of
shit.
 
In your case it's obvious. You're brain dead. Unbelievable!
"Willie Brennan" <bbren@aol.com>: Jun 22 12:50PM -0400

With Shit Stain, it's all about getting attention.
 
Over 120,000 trolls to date!!!!
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