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Tuesday, June 6, 2017

MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jun 06 02:10PM -0500

Moderate wrote:
>> that that somehow makes an attack by RUSSIA on the companies that make
>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
The company involved DOES NOT MAKE VOTING MACHINES.
BK@Onramp.net: Jun 06 02:21PM -0500

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:37:19 -0500 (CDT), Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>
wrote:
 
>> that that somehow makes an attack by RUSSIA on the companies that make
>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
>It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
Everyone? Not to me, or anyone I know. Like most of your statements,
too wide.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 01:16PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 11:37 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> that that somehow makes an attack by RUSSIA on the companies that make
>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
Keep dancing...
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 01:17PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 12:10 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
>> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
> The company involved DOES NOT MAKE VOTING MACHINES.
 
No, Mikey: they make VOTING SOFTWARE.
 
Happy?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 01:17PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 12:46 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
> Do you have a server with a public IP address?
> You never got a
> phishing email?
 
How does that reduce the seriousness of this attack on your election?
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 06 04:19PM -0400


>> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
> Everyone? Not to me, or anyone I know. Like most of your statements,
> too wide.

And too dumb, but what else is new?
 
The vast majority of exploits, the kind that everyone gets hit with, are automated attacks by script kiddies and the like hoping to magically log into an FTP server as user root. This kind of crap is not very difficult to fend off.
 
What the Russians did was completely different. Like the US, this is a deep-pocketed nation state with significant resources, such as talented hackers with a lot of 0-day exploits, to dedicate to undermining other countries. If you happen to catch the interest of an entity like that, your chances of getting hacked are excellent.
BK@Onramp.net: Jun 06 03:22PM -0500

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 14:46:59 -0500 (CDT), Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>
wrote:
 
>> too wide.
 
>Do you have a server with a public IP address? You never got a
> phishing email?
 
Seldom. I use Norton and Malwarebytes. They, together, do a good
job.
 
Hardly comparable to actually hacking into my computer.
 
I've had more phishing phone calls than anything.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Jun 06 01:28PM -0700

Moderate wrote:
>> that that somehow makes an attack by RUSSIA on the companies that make
>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
The company involved DOES NOT MAKE VOTING MACHINES.
 
Whatever happened....rest assured it's Trump's fault.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 06 05:02PM -0400

On 06/06/2017 04:28 PM, Dene wrote:
>>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
>> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
> The company involved DOES NOT MAKE VOTING MACHINES.
 
Clearly the Russians are smarter than the propaganda outlet feeding you this information.
 
As Alan pointed out, the company that was hacked makes the software that runs the voting machines. Without that, the voting machines are expensive paperweights.
 
> Whatever happened....rest assured it's Trump's fault.

If it's proven that he colluded with them. Comey is testifying in a couple of days. No doubt that is going to be very interesting...
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jun 06 02:05PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 5:02:38 PM UTC-4, Carbon wrote:
 
> As Alan pointed out, the company that was hacked makes the software that runs the voting machines. Without that, the voting machines are expensive paperweights.
 
> > Whatever happened....rest assured it's Trump's fault.
 
> If it's proven that he colluded with them. Comey is testifying in a couple of days. No doubt that is going to be very interesting...
 
...especially given that Trump said Comey was "sick" and "a real
nut-case."
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jun 06 04:23PM -0500

Carbon wrote:
 
>> The company involved DOES NOT MAKE VOTING MACHINES.
 
> Clearly the Russians are smarter than the propaganda outlet feeding you this information.
 
> As Alan pointed out, the company that was hacked makes the software that runs the voting machines. Without that, the voting machines are expensive paperweights.
 
VR Systems does NOT make voting machine software.
 
>> Whatever happened....rest assured it's Trump's fault.
 
> If it's proven that he colluded with them. Comey is testifying in a couple of days. No doubt that is going to be very interesting...
 
Yawn.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 03:21PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 1:32 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> The vast majority of exploits, the kind that everyone gets hit with, are automated attacks by script kiddies and the like hoping to magically log into an FTP server as user root. This kind of crap is not very difficult to fend off.
 
>> What the Russians did was completely different. Like the US, this is a deep-pocketed nation state with significant resources, such as talented hackers with a lot of 0-day exploits, to dedicate to undermining other countries. If you happen to catch the interest of an entity like that, your chances of getting hacked are excellent.
 
> The conspiracy theories just keep coming.
 
This isn't a conspiracy theory, doofus: this is an assessment by your
National Security Agency.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 03:23PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 2:23 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
>> that runs the voting machines. Without that, the voting machines are
>> expensive paperweights.
 
> VR Systems does NOT make voting machine software.
 
Actually, Mikey was wrong.
 
They make both voting machines and the software that runs on them:
 
"We design technology to support modern elections — from electronic
pollbooks and online training systems to comprehensive software
platforms. Our products are easy to use, secure and cost effective."
 
<http://www.vrsystems.com/>
 
You GET that this stuff is easily verifiable, right?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 03:24PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 1:28 PM, Dene wrote:
>>> your voting machines unimportant.
 
>> It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
> The company involved DOES NOT MAKE VOTING MACHINES.
 
Incorrect (BIG shock).
 
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 06 03:24PM -0700

On 2017-06-06 1:29 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> Hardly comparable to actually hacking into my computer.
 
>> I've had more phishing phone calls than anything.
 
> A phishing email will hack your computer.
 
Not if you don't respond to it.
 
You only think the result is automatic because you're not bright enough
not to click on the links in them.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Jun 06 03:32PM -0700

Moderate apparently wrote:
 
> This is just stupid. Every server gets hit with this stuff almost
> daily.
 
 
Perhaps Moderate can support his claim by providing a valid IP address of any NIPRNET server...
 
-hh
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 06 06:51PM -0400

On 06/06/2017 06:23 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> platforms. Our products are easy to use, secure and cost effective."
 
> <http://www.vrsystems.com/>
 
> You GET that this stuff is easily verifiable, right?
 
It doesn't seem so.

People like Mike just want to participate in the daily two minutes hate, and they choose their propaganda sources accordingly.
BK@Onramp.net: Jun 06 06:17PM -0500

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 15:29:27 -0500 (CDT), Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> Hardly comparable to actually hacking into my computer.
 
>> I've had more phishing phone calls than anything.
 
>A phishing email will hack your computer.
 
Only if you're stupid. Surely you know how to keep that from
happening. Oh, you're the "only" one.
BK@Onramp.net: Jun 06 06:19PM -0500

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 15:32:15 -0500 (CDT), Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> The vast majority of exploits, the kind that everyone gets hit with, are automated attacks by script kiddies and the like hoping to magically log into an FTP server as user root. This kind of crap is not very difficult to fend off.
 
>> What the Russians did was completely different. Like the US, this is a deep-pocketed nation state with significant resources, such as talented hackers with a lot of 0-day exploits, to dedicate to undermining other countries. If you happen to catch the interest of an entity like that, your chances of getting hacked are excellent.
 
>The conspiracy theories just keep coming.
 
From Donald himself.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Jun 06 01:31PM -0700

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I have a PW, a 56 degree SW with a lot of bounce for the sand, and a 60 with less bounce for trick shots, amusement, blading the ball 100 yards past the green, etc.
 
No as well, at least for me.
 
That would be my experience as well. I don't see the point of having risky clubs in my bag. For example, five iron versus 5 hybrid. Five iron is a 50-50 shot. Five hybrid…75-25.
longdriver2017@gmail.com: Jun 06 02:10PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 4:31:46 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
> I have a PW, a 56 degree SW with a lot of bounce for the sand, and a 60 with less bounce for trick shots, amusement, blading the ball 100 yards past the green, etc.
 
> No as well, at least for me.
 
> That would be my experience as well. I don't see the point of having risky clubs in my bag. For example, five iron versus 5 hybrid. Five iron is a 50-50 shot. Five hybrid…75-25.
 
I started carrying a 60 degree last year. When it works it works. Performs poorly off tight or thin lies, but otherwise great results.
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 06 02:46PM -0500


>>It is important that it happens to everyone.
 
> Everyone? Not to me, or anyone I know. Like most of your statements,
> too wide.
 
Do you have a server with a public IP address?
You never got a
phishing email?
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 06 03:27PM -0500

>> You never got a
>> phishing email?
 
> How does that reduce the seriousness of this attack on your election?
 
One is as serious as the other.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 06 03:29PM -0500

> job.
 
> Hardly comparable to actually hacking into my computer.
 
> I've had more phishing phone calls than anything.
 
A phishing email will hack your computer.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 06 03:32PM -0500


> And too dumb, but what else is new?
 
> The vast majority of exploits, the kind that everyone gets hit with, are automated attacks by script kiddies and the like hoping to magically log into an FTP server as user root. This kind of crap is not very difficult to fend off.
 
> What the Russians did was completely different. Like the US, this is a deep-pocketed nation state with significant resources, such as talented hackers with a lot of 0-day exploits, to dedicate to undermining other countries. If you happen to catch the interest of an entity like that, your chances of getting hacked are excellent.
 
The conspiracy theories just keep coming.
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