Digest for rec.sport.golf@googlegroups.com - 12 updates in 5 topics

Wednesday, June 28, 2017

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Jun 27 07:07PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 9:25:16 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
 
> > This shows how bad the CBO projections are. If Obamacare was
> > repealed completely only 10.3 million would lose coverage
> > today.
 
Misapplied statistic.
 

> Since the CBO's finding wasn't about "today", that hardly matters.
 
Furthermore, the CBO projection that's being cited IIRC contained a
provision that it assumed that the States would adopt Medicaid expansion ...
 
... but 24 States (basically half) deliberately chose to hurt their own citizens
by not taking the Fed's money & adopting the expansion of Medicaid. This
naturally resulted in meaningfully lower numbers ultimately covered.
 
How much lower?
 
Well...
 
"In the 24 states that have not expanded Medicaid, 6.7 million residents are
projected to remain uninsured in 2016 as a result."
 
<http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/22816/413192-What-is-the-Result-of-States-Not-Expanding-Medicaid-.PDF>
 
YMMV, but that's roughly 2/3rds of the shortfall between the CBO projection
and the actual enrollment level.
 
Oh, and just guess what 'color' most those 24 States were? If you guessed Red,
you're right.
 
Oh, and for every $1 in State funding that they "saved", they lost out on $13.41 in
'matching' Federal funding ... just think about how much that would have helped out
their local economy and jobs.
 
 
-hh
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Jun 27 08:34PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:37:20 AM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
> [...]
> Then we need to fix Obamacare and include them.
 
> Fine....let's hear the Dem fixes! The silence is deafening.
 
Well, I'm not declaring a party, but I am still waiting
for Greg to comment on the suggestions I've already posted.
 
Here's the link:
 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/H7sEgMmR5AA/Ha9_BlrWAAAJ>
 
 
And Greg has also failed to respond to some counterpoints I made
to him here:
 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/H7sEgMmR5AA/NPrzzI6dAAAJ>
 
Oh, and here:
 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/H7sEgMmR5AA/fqIlp0JHAQAJ>
 
Who says anybody is owed any response in this forum?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 27 11:43PM -0700

On 2017-06-27 8:34 PM, Dene wrote:
 
> Oh, and here:
 
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/H7sEgMmR5AA/fqIlp0JHAQAJ>
 
> Who says anybody is owed any response in this forum?
 
No one has said that.
 
But your lack of response is... ..instructive.
 
:-)
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 28 12:33AM -0400

On 06/27/2017 11:11 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>>> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.
 
>> What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?
 
> It means that if you get an education and work harder than the guy next to you, you have a very reasonable chance of becoming wealthy. At the minimum…self sufficient.
 
Well this is a shiny idea on the far right, but
 
1) It says nothing about inherited wealth. r > g.
 
2) Wealth will continue to concentrate as fewer and fewer workers are needed to maintain the gears of commerce. There will be massive unemployment and unprecedented wealth at the very top. Your job and mine will go away, and there will be riots in the streets. And of course there will be millions of propaganda victims who will continue to screech that hard work is all you need to succeed. This will be what destroys America.
 
 
 
>> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.
 
> You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?
 
> I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.
 
I'm not trying offend you. However, if Jesus is anything like historical accounts he would not have been down with the brand of "I got mine, fuck you" capitalism that's currently so popular on the far right.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Jun 27 09:46PM -0700

On 06/27/2017 11:11 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>>> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.
 
>> What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?
 
> It means that if you get an education and work harder than the guy next to you, you have a very reasonable chance of becoming wealthy. At the minimum…self sufficient.
 
Well this is a shiny idea on the far right, but
 
1) It says nothing about inherited wealth. r > g.
 
2) Wealth will continue to concentrate as fewer and fewer workers are needed to maintain the gears of commerce. There will be massive unemployment and unprecedented wealth at the very top. Your job and mine will go away, and there will be riots in the streets. And of course there will be millions of propaganda victims who will continue to screech that hard work is all you need to succeed. This will be what destroys America.
 
So saith Marx. How did all that turn out?
 
 
 
>> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.
 
> You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?
 
> I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.
 
I'm not trying offend you. However, if Jesus is anything like historical accounts he would not have been down with the brand of "I got mine, fuck you" capitalism that's currently so popular on the far right.
 
I'm not offended nor am I a believer in that far right maxim. I think there should be a safety net for the legitimately poor and disabled. For example, I think the ACA taxes and individual mandate should stay in place.
tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 27 09:49PM -0700

> >> discussed, unless you're a multimillionaire.
 
> >I'm an American who wants to see America become great again.
 
> That's more Trump bullshit that you've swallowed. America IS GREAT.
 
Tell that to Bill Clinton.
 
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 28 02:36AM -0400

On 06/28/2017 12:46 AM, Dene wrote:
 
>> 1) It says nothing about inherited wealth. r > g.
 
>> 2) Wealth will continue to concentrate as fewer and fewer workers are needed to maintain the gears of commerce. There will be massive unemployment and unprecedented wealth at the very top. Your job and mine will go away, and there will be riots in the streets. And of course there will be millions of propaganda victims who will continue to screech that hard work is all you need to succeed. This will be what destroys America.
 
> So saith Marx. How did all that turn out?
 
So sayeth Thomas Picketty. Here it is in four paragraphs: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/05/economist-explains
 
Automation is going to take over. It won't just be autonomous vehicles. People call in sick. They want vacations and reasonable wages. They bitch if they get mistreated. It's far easier and more efficient to replace them with machines whenever possible. As technology progresses machines will take over nearly every domain that is currently handled by man. At that point there will be a very small owner class, and everyone else. There will be propaganda for the fools and cheap booze for everyone else. It's hard to imagine anything but cataclysmic unrest. This is the logical conclusion of the "I got mine, fuck you" capitalist philosophy.
 
About that temptation to sweep all this away: You haven't thought about it enough.

 
>>> I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.
 
>> I'm not trying offend you. However, if Jesus is anything like historical accounts he would not have been down with the brand of "I got mine, fuck you" capitalism that's currently so popular on the far right.
 
> I'm not offended nor am I a believer in that far right maxim. I think there should be a safety net for the legitimately poor and disabled. For example, I think the ACA taxes and individual mandate should stay in place.
 
Good. I was starting to wonder. OTOH your party is taking its marching orders from the healthcare industrial complex. This is who the Republicans represent, not the voters.
tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 27 10:08PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-7, Carbon wrote:
> > actually "Do Something!" about Global Warming!
 
> > <https://twitter.com/kschultz3580/status/879010419410481152>
 
> Perfect!
 
If global warming how come you libtards aren't selling all of your beach front property (and are actually BUYING it)?
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Jun 27 08:32PM -0700

Breaking news.
Trump is colluding with Canada.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 28 12:35AM -0400

On 06/27/2017 11:32 PM, Dene wrote:
> Breaking news.
> Trump is colluding with Canada.
 
Breaking news.
Trump is a laughing stock around the world.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 27 05:19PM -0700

On 2017-06-27 5:16 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> ...which implies that when you don't provide it, it doesn't exist.
 
>> :-)
 
> Eddie.
 
Deflect as much as you want...
BK@Onramp.net: Jun 27 08:23PM -0500

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:15:05 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>> say that I certainly wasn't referring to Sheth.
 
>You know what happened. You got caught in another lie. Now you try
> to cover it with more lies. It is your shtick.
I couldn't care less what you think or say. There would be no reason
for me to have gone through the whole thread to make sure I hadn't
done what you say. I'm more positive than ever that I didn't.
 
No one here believes you anyway. Don't you wonder why?
 
 
 
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