Digest for rec.sport.golf@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 8 topics

Saturday, June 24, 2017

Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 23 06:33PM -0700


>> You mean like the "bipartisan negotiation" the Republicans did while
>> Obama was in office that consisted of blocking everything they could?
 
> I mean what the Dimocrats DIDN'T DO while enacting Obamacareless.
 
'"In this very Committee, we had 47 bipartisan hearings, meetings,
roundtables, sessions. We considered 300 amendments. There were 160
Republican amendments adopted. We sat in that big [HELP Committee]
conference room day after day after day going through huge stacks of
amendments," said Whitehouse of the ACA during the HELP Committee hearing. '
 
<https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/whitehouse-calls-out-republicans-for-secret-health-care-bill>
 
'During debate over the ACA, Senate committees held 110 bipartisan
public hearings, roundtables, negotiations, and walkthroughs on the
legislation. It was debated for 25 consecutive days on the Senate
floor—160 hours in total. So far, the Senate has held no bipartisan
meetings of any kind on the Republican proposal and Republican
leadership has signaled plans to spend less than a week on their
proposal on the Senate floor.'
 
You lose.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 23 06:33PM -0700


>> Isn't it time you took an interst in something other than trolling from
>> a position of ignorance?
 
> Libtards such as yourself JUST WON'T UNDERSTAND. Too bad...
 
'During debate over the ACA, Senate committees held 110 bipartisan
public hearings, roundtables, negotiations, and walkthroughs on the
legislation. It was debated for 25 consecutive days on the Senate
floor—160 hours in total. So far, the Senate has held no bipartisan
meetings of any kind on the Republican proposal and Republican
leadership has signaled plans to spend less than a week on their
proposal on the Senate floor.'
 
<https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/whitehouse-calls-out-republicans-for-secret-health-care-bill>
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jun 23 08:12PM -0700


> > You mean like the "bipartisan negotiation" the Republicans did while
> > Obama was in office that consisted of blocking everything they could?
 
> I mean what the Dimocrats DIDN'T DO while enacting Obamacareless.
 
You have no idea what they did or didn't do.
tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 23 09:40PM -0700

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:12:14 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> > > Obama was in office that consisted of blocking everything they could?
 
> > I mean what the Dimocrats DIDN'T DO while enacting Obamacareless.
 
> You have no idea what they did or didn't do.
 
I do, you don't have a clue.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 23 10:17PM -0700


>>> I mean what the Dimocrats DIDN'T DO while enacting Obamacareless.
 
>> You have no idea what they did or didn't do.
 
> I do, you don't have a clue.
 
Really?
 
So what...
 
PRECISELY
 
...do you say went down?
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jun 23 08:10PM -0700

> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/26/health-reform-transparency-opaque-to-critics/
> I know - I watched the closed-door meetings (from the outside) night after night on the news.
> Dimocrats now want to rewrite history - surprise, surprise.
 
Once they had a draft bill, they submitted it to hearings including
field hearings, posted the bill online, allowed for amendments and
subjected it to weeks of floor debate. That's how it worked and
that's how it's supposed to work. The Republicans have not done
any of those things with the pile of shit they're called a health
care reform bill.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Jun 23 09:53PM -0700

- show quoted text -
Once they had a draft bill, they submitted it to hearings including
field hearings, posted the bill online, allowed for amendments and
subjected it to weeks of floor debate. That's how it worked and
that's how it's supposed to work. The Republicans have not done
any of those things with the pile of shit they're called a health
care reform bill.
 
They had the luxury of time. ACA is in a free fall.
 
POS? Let's hear your brilliant solution.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 23 10:16PM -0700

On 2017-06-23 9:53 PM, Dene wrote:
> care reform bill.
 
> They had the luxury of time. ACA is in a free fall.
 
> POS? Let's hear your brilliant solution.
 
Do you deny that the Republicans have attempted to completely hide their
bill until the last possible moment?
 
Do you deny that there have been no hearings whatsoever on the bill?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 23 06:57PM -0700

...collected in one place!
 
<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html>
 
Here's the list for January alone:
 
'JAN. 21 "I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq." (He
was for an invasion before he was against it.)
 
JAN. 21 "A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover
14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of
Time magazine." (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55
times.)
 
JAN. 23 "Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose
the popular vote." (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)
 
JAN. 25 "Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was
massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive." (Official
aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily
attended.)
 
JAN. 25 "Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)" (The
report never mentioned voter fraud.)
 
JAN. 25 "You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore."
(The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)
 
JAN. 25 "So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a
speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his
speech. You can't have that." (There were no gun homicide victims in
Chicago that day.)
 
JAN. 26 "We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing
about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have
no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about
them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't." (Vetting
lasts up to two years.)
 
JAN. 26 "I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular
plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It
wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many
hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better."
(Most of the cuts were already planned.)
 
JAN. 28 "The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost
has been so false and angry that the times actually apologized to its
dwindling subscribers and readers." (It never apologized.)
 
JAN. 29 "The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote." (There is
no support for this.)
 
JAN. 30 "Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for
questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer
outage." (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta
outage happened two days later.)'
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jun 23 08:14PM -0700

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 9:57:55 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer
> outage." (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta
> outage happened two days later.)'
 
Sometime this week, he said he'd signed more bills that any president
in history. That is false.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Jun 24 12:43AM -0400

On 06/23/2017 09:57 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer
> outage." (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta
> outage happened two days later.)'

I was going to post this. I am shocked that there is utter silence from the far right, shocked I tell you.
tomseim2g@gmail.com: Jun 23 09:32PM -0700

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
 
> It proves that you don't understand what "lie" means in a larger context.
 
> He said something that was purposely untrue in order to try to
> intimidate Comey.
 
It proves you are VERY loose with your definitions, which is why you can't PROVE ANYTHING!
"Willie Brennan" <vincegiaimo@comcast.net>: Jun 23 04:49PM -0400

Wadda dumb, unwashed Asshole.
 
BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 23 01:45PM -0500

> his lawyer to lie when HE said Trump wasn't being investigated.
 
> I can see why you snipped that out.
 
> :-)
 
Another humorless turd.
 
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jun 23 02:49PM -0500


>>Another humorless turd.
 
> Where's the humor, except in your pretending to understand
> simple words and phrases.
 
"It's not an investigation. It's a matter."
 
You are the joke.
 
 
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Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jun 23 12:38PM -0700

...consider the content:
 
'My Thoughtful Critique of Trumpcare
KEVIN DRUMJUN. 23, 2017 1:10 PM
 
 
Avik Roy has a request:
 
"I'm very open to thoughtful critiques of the Senate bill from the left.
"MILLIONS WILL DIE" is not it."
 
OK, here's my Top 5 list:
 
Medicaid: The Senate bill slashes spending on Medicaid in order to cut
taxes on the rich. This is a cruel and unnecessary tradeoff for the
richest country in the history of the world.
 
Death Spiral: It eliminates the individual mandate; reduces subsidies
for the poor; reduces benchmark plans to an actuarial value of 58
percent; and increases deductibles and copays. Whatever instability
Obamacare currently has, this will make it far, far worse.
 
Essential Health Benefits: Like the House bill, the Senate bill makes it
easy for states to cut essential health benefits, which motivates
insurers to offer low-end policies for the working poor that are
worthless—but only if you read the fine print.
 
More Uninsured: It will lead to tens of millions fewer people having
health coverage. CBO will provide an exact number in a few days, but we
already know it's going to be big.
 
Lifetime Caps: Guts protections against annual and lifetime caps, and
because of the way the bill is written, it's likely to do this even for
employer insurance, not just for the individual market.'
 
<http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/my-thoughtful-critique-of-trumpcare/>
 
'There's more, like the substantial increase in premiums for older
workers and the quiet kickback to insurance company CEOs. And what are
the benefits? Unless you're rich or you really, really want to cut
funding for Planned Parenthood, it's hard to see any.'
 
 
Just as an example of the nature of the content:
 
 
'That tweak, buried in cryptic language on page 67 of the bill, would
end the $500,000 cap that health insurers currently have under the
Affordable Care Act on deducting the cost of executives' compensation as
business expenses on their taxes.
 
The Republican proposal to eliminate that cap means that insurers would
be able to deduct nearly the full value of their CEOs' compensation, and
not pay taxes on it.
 
For a company such as Aetna, whose CEO Mark Bertolini earns more than
$17 million annually, ending the cap would add to its bottom line, and
encourage insurers to pay executives more money, critics say.'
 
<http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/07/health-insurers-billion-dollar-windfall-gop-obamacare-replacement.html>
 
Didn't Trump campaign on the idea that CEOs are being paid too much?
 
:-)
"Willie Brennan" <vincegiaimo@comcast.net>: Jun 23 03:10PM -0400

Wadda dumb fuck...
 
and getting dumber by the day.
 
 
BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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