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Tuesday, June 27, 2017

Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:25PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:16:53 -0700 (PDT), JGibson
 
>Some of the preview rags are out, and therefore Stassen has started to build the consensus for this year:
 
>http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/2017.html
>4 magazines in, and Alabama is #1 with Ohio State #2.
 
Several picks I have seen say Bama and FSU could repeat in the NC
game.
 
Others say if Cow U. was in the East the Iron Bowl would be for the
NC.
 
I think I'll wait until the games are played.
 
Hugh
 
 
 
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JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:57AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> > ACC Atlantic - Florida State
> > ACC Coastal - Miami
 
> Often picked. Never won.
 
So far, Miami and Va Tech are split with 2 division championships each. But Lindy's put Va Tech 3rd behind Miami and GA Tech whereas both magazines that had VA Tech first had Miami 2nd, so Miami holds that spot for now.
JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:58AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> > Sun Belt - Appalachian State
 
> You could present this list about every year and most people wouldn't
> notice the difference.
 
Yes, other than Washington, looks like the list could have come almost any time in the last 10 or so years.
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:14AM -0700

Trump could have led on the ACA by proposing and pushing through the tweaks no one could make because Obama because GOP obstructionism because gridlock. Along with renaming it, then he could claim he repealed and replaced and claim victory and he would likely get the credit.
"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com>: Jun 27 01:16PM -0500

> obstructionism because gridlock. Along with renaming it, then he
> could claim he repealed and replaced and claim victory and he would
> likely get the credit.
 
The Senate is apparently taking the position that in a year or two,
Obamacare will repeal itself.
 
--
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in
overalls and looks like work. -- Thomas Edison
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:18AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:14:31 PM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> Trump could have led on the ACA by proposing and pushing through the tweaks
 
serious question: what changes/tweaks do you guys want? I always hear dems/libs talking about these magical tweaks that could 'make aca work'?
 
Do you guys just mean more money/subsidies? If so, damn, just say it....but be specific when talking about these changes. Otherwise it's meaningless...
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:28AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 2:18:18 PM UTC-4, michael anderson wrote:
> > Trump could have led on the ACA by proposing and pushing through the tweaks
 
> serious question: what changes/tweaks do you guys want? I always hear dems/libs talking about these magical tweaks that could 'make aca work'?
 
> Do you guys just mean more money/subsidies? If so, damn, just say it....but be specific when talking about these changes. Otherwise it's meaningless...
 
There have been zero changes to the ACA since it was passed in 2010, because of the back and forth and gridlock. In a normal Congress, a bill this complex would inevitably have tweaks and fixes as it goes forward. But the GOP had been in a REPEAL OR NOTHING jag while the Dems have been in a DONT TOUCH IT jag. Trump could have broken that deadlock.
dotslashderek@gmail.com: Jun 27 11:57AM -0700

Hah, A+ on spinning "complete control of the government doesn't matter when your party is so deeply divided they can't even agree on step 1" into a positive.
 
Theyre doing it on purpose!
 
Bravo!!
 
Cheers.
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jun 27 10:59AM -0700

"What consumers need is the ability to shop for policies they can afford. Why not let young people, for example, buy inexpensive policies with high deductibles so that they are covered in case in case of accidents but pay out of pocket for routine care? And why should the 21st century health insurance system be broken up into 50 separate economies when efficiencies and convenience could be had by offering insurance options on a nationwide scale."
 
I like the idea, but not necessarily the method, which is to expand the federal government.
 
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/06/27/let_consumers_repeal_obamacare_134298.html
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:12AM -0700

> "What consumers need is the ability to shop for policies they can afford. Why not let young people, for example, buy inexpensive policies with high deductibles so that they are covered in case in case of accidents but pay out of pocket for routine care? And why should the 21st century health insurance system be broken up into 50 separate economies when efficiencies and convenience could be had by offering insurance options on a nationwide scale."
 
> I like the idea, but not necessarily the method, which is to expand the federal government.
 
> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/06/27/let_consumers_repeal_obamacare_134298.html
 
The problem with the whole "let everyone buy policies across state lines" argument is that it is a trojan horse for gutting all insurance regulations. All the insurers would simply close up shop everywhere except the state with the least regulations and the least amount of consumer protections, and offer their insurance only from there. We know from experience this is what would happen, or have you not wondered why all your credit card companies are "based" in South Dakota or Delaware?
 
Now if the federal government is enforcing minimum standards for policies (as they had to do with consumer finance after the aforementioned stampeded to the lowest common denominator state) that idea would be more practical.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:38PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT), "the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com"
> of pocket for routine care? And why should the 21st century health insuran=
>ce system be broken up into 50 separate economies when efficiencies and con=
>venience could be had by offering insurance options on a nationwide scale."=
 
Government is socialist so any scheme must relate to one size fits all
- haves support have nots, legalized equality, etc.
 
Inferiority is represented by receiving unearned and unentitled
rewards that are forcefully taken from those who earn and are properly
entitled.
 
Hugh
 
 
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dotslashderek@gmail.com: Jun 27 11:50AM -0700

"And why should the 21st century health insurance system be broken up into 50 separate economies when efficiencies and convenience could be had by offering insurance options on a nationwide scale."
 
Why should 21st century education be broken up into 50 separate ...
 
It's interesting how the states argument "let everyone do their own thing, innovate and try new things, copy success, prosper" argument doesn't apply here.
 
Also interesting that I could map where the GOP supports or disapproves of that general theory to specific instances by considerin concepts like "hypothetical profitability".
 
Cheers.
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: Jun 27 11:48AM -0700

In article <oishd8$mdp$1@dont-email.me>,
 
> http://fox17online.com/2017/06/26/police-man-allegedly-used-his-prosthetic-leg-to-hit-wife/
 
Ohio man ...
 
--
Michael Press
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:06PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 05:47:38 -0700 (PDT), Some dued
 
>The ER?
 
Certainly.
 
The few times I have been to an ER (except last Saturday) it was
crowded with people who obviously didn't earn income or they would not
have looked like trash.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:12PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:46:30 -0700 (PDT), JGibson
 
>> I doubt that any ER in this country would turn him away because he
>> can't pay.
 
>Yes, but where do you think the money for the ER comes from after they don't pay?
 
Hospitals charge paying patients usually through their insurance.
 
But changes in premiums were slow and gradual prior to the Obama
fiasco. My Tricare for Life payments are going up for the first time
in my memory this year.
 
If libs did not pay people to be worthless the increases would be less
to non-existent.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:18PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:09:50 -0700 (PDT), Some dued
 
>Talk about stupid: you suggested someone with a rare ongoing illness go to the ER for $200000 treatments.
 
Do you think they would turn him away and say "Go, die". There are all
sorts of programs that accept such for R&D purposes. I could have had
a freebie in the 70s but the company insisted on paying. No freebies!
 
You are one stupid son of a bitch.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:20PM

> evenings and have days off. I do both at times. The traditional work week =
>of Monday to Friday days with the weekend off probably happens about 25% of=
> the time for me.
 
So you clerk at McDonald's at odd hours.
 
Hugh
 
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Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: Jun 27 11:46AM -0700

In article <6d9f57da-a9c7-4c2f-bdd2-9c825080fe77@googlegroups.com>,
 
> ACA will collapse, at least in part because:
 
> 1) The Republicans want it to collapse and are doing nothing to prevent or delay it
 
Democrats totally own it, and even today will not work to make it workable.
"Want it?" Watch it with your overly broad, everybody you label is bad generalizations.
 
> 2) All over our health care system, we
 
What you mean "we", white man?
 
> are paying people like Mia $300,000 per year when they don't deserve half that much.
 
Now you get to decide what people are worth; you, the perfect authoritarian.
 
--
Michael Press
"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com>: Jun 27 12:52PM -0500

> wondering, at what physical sport are men & women the closest in terms
> of performance? At what sport would a woman be closest to competing
> full-time v men?
 
Archery? Shooting?
 
 
> Note the physical sport caveat - as opposed to primarily equipment
> sports like shooting, archery, sailing etc
 
Drat. Diving?
 
 
> Maybe a winter sport like skiing?
 
> Or some team sport?
 
> What say you?
 
It's not physical, but bridge is dominated by men at the highest level
(as is chess). Yet there have been two women -- Helen Sobel and
Dorothy Hayden -- who everyone agreed were the equal of the top men.
 
It's a shame they weren't really contemporaries, because it would have
been neat to see such a partnership compete against men.
 
Sobel in particular was considered to be one of the top all time
in card play. She played with Charles Goren, the most famous player
of that day, and she was not the weaker of the two. She would sometimes
get annoyed with all the kibitzers watching him because she knew she was
the better player. (One day a woman came up to her and asked
"What's it like to play with a real expert?" She said, "I don't
know -- ask him.")
 
--
If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of
car payments. -- Earl Wilson
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 27 10:53AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:43:04 PM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
 
> Maybe a winter sport like skiing?
 
> Or some team sport?
 
> What say you?
 
This popped up on a discussion of the McEnroe quote on Facebook.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: Jun 27 10:56AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:53:14 PM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
 
> > What say you?
 
> This popped up on a discussion of the McEnroe quote on Facebook.
 
> https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
 
Makes a ton of sense
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:34PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:43:00 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
 
>Maybe a winter sport like skiing?
 
>Or some team sport?
 
>What say you?
 
Dancing.
 
Hugh
 
 
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JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com>: Jun 27 11:38AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:20:34 PM UTC-5, Some dued wrote:
> > Seems like jockeys should be women as they are typically lighter than men.
 
> There have been a few - just not strong enough to compete at the highest levels
 
This one was ranked 8th, 8th, and 7th in 2012, 2013, 2014:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_Napravnik
"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com>: Jun 27 12:55PM -0500

> "I'm fine"
 
"You'll enjoy yourself."
 
--
In character, in manners, in style, in all things, the supreme excellence
is simplicity. -- Longfellow
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 27 06:27PM

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:11:30 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
 
>"I'm fine"
 
Based on the marriage history of several posters on rsfc I'd say the
scariest are "I do!"
 
Hugh
 
 
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