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Friday, June 30, 2017

michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 30 10:14AM -0700

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 10:13:49 PM UTC-5, Michael Press wrote:
The mayoralty, by the way, was Bernie's first steady
> job. Before that, he literally couldn't feed his family.
 
 
Apart from all the other issues with Sanders, this is the *one thing* I would be most bothered by.
 
We are supposed to elect someone to the highest office in the country who was a neer do well bum who before going on the public dole had failed miserably at *EVERYTHING* he ever tried and was essentially on welfare?
 
The libs who live him aren't bothered by that?
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 30 09:09AM -0700

See the third new law in this article.
 
http://www.wtok.com/content/news/New-driving-laws-to-take-effect-in-Mississippi-431610243.html
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 04:40PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:09:50 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>See the third new law in this article.
 
>http://www.wtok.com/content/news/New-driving-laws-to-take-effect-in-Mississippi-431610243.html
 
The problem with many laws is they replace individual responsibility.
 
One size fits all is reducing to the LCD that liberals favor.
 
If I die because I refuse to wear a seat belt in town it's my fault.
 
Hugh
 
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michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 30 06:35AM -0700

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:17:09 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
 
> > Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.
 
> I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would grow into the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider president with no investement in any existing policies.
 
> gf works in the federal govt. She has some inside insight I'll try to find a way to share discreetly, without IDing her. It's not all bad (or all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a lot of wasted potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it can be seen.
 
*if* there is potential, let's unleash it in the private sector and let the wonders of the free market work....
 
quite frankly the words 'potential' and 'federal govt' scare me to death. potential to do what? get bigger and ever more costly? 'do more'?
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 30 06:36AM -0700

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
 
> Please do - I'd be interested in this....
 
> As a conservative, I'm so freakin' frustrated right now - I've obviously been very suspicious of him for a looong time. I want to like him, to support him - and as you say, watch him grow into the role.
 
> But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.
 
well the problem for conservatives right now is that *nothing* is getting done....at least with the conservative policies I actually care about(limiting the size of govt and lower taxes).....
 
that's a big rsfckin problem.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 30 06:38AM -0700

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:05:31 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
 
> > As a conservative, I'm so freakin' frustrated right now - I've obviously been very suspicious of him for a looong time. I want to like him, to support him - and as you say, watch him grow into the role.
 
> > But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.
 
> For now let's just say that she's very positively impressed with Mulvaney and how he's got that agency (OMB) taking a hard look at govt busywork.
 
but unless this less useless busywork results in less costly/bloated govt workforce, whats the point? The problem with govt paper pushers isn't that they do a bunch of nonproductive busywork....of course that's not needed, but what is really not needed is not to redefine their role into something more 'productive'....
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:00AM -0700

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:39:01 AM UTC-4, michael anderson wrote:
 
> > > But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.
 
> > For now let's just say that she's very positively impressed with Mulvaney and how he's got that agency (OMB) taking a hard look at govt busywork.
 
> but unless this less useless busywork results in less costly/bloated govt workforce, whats the point? The problem with govt paper pushers isn't that they do a bunch of nonproductive busywork....of course that's not needed, but what is really not needed is not to redefine their role into something more 'productive'....
 
She's assuming that's their endgame.
 
She knows and agrees the govt workforce is bloated. She deals with it every day.
 
But you do realize that the biggest beneficiaries of govt hiring preferences in recent decades isn't women and minorities. It's veterans. So you're gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to significantly downsize government. I'm sure the GOP is eager to do that!
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:08AM -0700

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4, CtrlAltDel wrote:
> > all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a lot of wasted
> > potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it can be seen.
 
> Hey everyone, another Democrat has another secret source.
 
Translation: someone has a source I don't agree with.
 
If say, Ken Olson said he had a pla in govt workforce who says things that confirm what you already want to believe, you'd be touting it as the real inside scoop.
 
I don't expect you or any other Trumpbots to listen to or believe anything that contradicts what you want to believe, whether it comes from my gf, CNN, NYT or even FOX News or The Blaze, or conservative commentators you used to quote on the internet all the time before they realized that their movement has been hijacked by an immature clown with a large army of suckers for followers.
 
People who are interested in learning and making informed decisions seek out multiple sources. That's not you, so you're not the intended audience. So just ignore my posts and continue refreshing Breitbart.com and Trump's twitter feed, that's all you want to know.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:55AM -0700

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
 
> She's assuming that's their endgame.
 
> She knows and agrees the govt workforce is bloated. She deals with it every day.
 
> But you do realize that the biggest beneficiaries of govt hiring preferences in recent decades isn't women and minorities. It's veterans. So you're gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to significantly downsize government. I'm sure the GOP is eager to do that!
 
I think it depends on the area. It sounds like from your experience with the gf you know more about it than me. I know my sister and me do the exact same thing(adult psychiatrists) and she has a VA job. She works no weekends, no evenings, has an ungodly amount of vacation and sick leave, wicked benefits(401k matching and defined benefit plan and low cost gold plan type health insurance, disability, etc). She gets paid full time but only has to work 32 clinical hours per week, averaging 8 easy follow up appts per day(such a volume would never exist outside govt). For this she gets paid a base salary of about 235 plus average yearly bonuses of 20 and student loan reimbursement per year of 25(which is tax free so really worth 40). The entire package is commiserate to a base salary of about 300k easily in the private sector, probably more like 330 when you count in the vacation and sick leave. This for a job that expects roughly 15-20% of the productive my job requires. I make 35% more than her or so adjusted income, but am 5x as productive. So that's just my one anecdotal example of govt efficiency vs private sector efficiency....if our group was run like the VA(in terms of an efficiency/workload model) then we would all be eating at soup kitchens.
 
And she's very good at what she does and the vets are thankful to have her there, but at the same time I see all this and wonder why in the world the VA as a medical delivery service exists at all. And it's like this in every specialty...the efficiency and workload and productivity is literally 20% what is expected in the real world for oftentimes 70%(or more) of the pay.
 
If it's like that in health care, is it any different in accounting or IT for example?
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 30 08:04AM -0700

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-4, michael anderson wrote:
 
> I think it depends on the area. It sounds like from your experience with the gf you know more about it than me. I know my sister and me do the exact same thing(adult psychiatrists) and she has a VA job. She works no weekends, no evenings, has an ungodly amount of vacation and sick leave, wicked benefits(401k matching and defined benefit plan and low cost gold plan type health insurance, disability, etc). She gets paid full time but only has to work 32 clinical hours per week, averaging 8 easy follow up appts per day(such a volume would never exist outside govt). For this she gets paid a base salary of about 235 plus average yearly bonuses of 20 and student loan reimbursement per year of 25(which is tax free so really worth 40). The entire package is commiserate to a base salary of about 300k easily in the private sector, probably more like 330 when you count in the vacation and sick leave. This for a job that expects roughly 15-20% of the productive my job requires. I make 35% more than her or so adjusted income, but am 5x as productive. So that's just my one anecdotal example of govt efficiency vs private sector efficiency....if our group was run like the VA(in terms of an efficiency/workload model) then we would all be eating at soup kitchens.
 
> And she's very good at what she does and the vets are thankful to have her there, but at the same time I see all this and wonder why in the world the VA as a medical delivery service exists at all. And it's like this in every specialty...the efficiency and workload and productivity is literally 20% what is expected in the real world for oftentimes 70%(or more) of the pay.
 
> If it's like that in health care, is it any different in accounting or IT for example?
 
Well for one thing the salaries are a lot higher in healthcare. I can promise you neither she nor anyone in her group are making anywhere near what your sister makes!
 
That said in her area there are plenty of people who are overpaid with the first dollar. She is totally on board with the "government is completely bloated" philosophy!
 
Btw when I've looked into jobs in my field in the govt, the salaries were significantly lower than what I make now. But would I work for 70% of my current pay for 20% of the workload (assuming your analogy really applies)? Heh!, tempting! But probably not, from what I have seen from her the political BS aspect of the job more than takes back the benefit of the "less real work required" aspect (not in value delivered, but in stress and strain on the employee).
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 03:10PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:00:15 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>s in recent decades isn't women and minorities. It's veterans. So you're =
>gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to significantly downsize government. =
>I'm sure the GOP is eager to do that!
 
On the surface veteran preference is great. But it should not be done
at additional expense or a lessening of talent by government.
 
I'll admit that liberals make it very difficult to get things right
again.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 03:17PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>People who are interested in learning and making informed decisions seek ou=
>t multiple sources.
 
I trust that response is more specific than general. I listen to both
sides and decision are usually very easy.
 
Rejecting liberal socialistic policy is the ONLY informed decision.
It's just not the most heartfelt (if that is a legitimate liberal
purpose - which I doubt).
 
Hugh
 
 
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michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jun 30 08:42AM -0700

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 10:04:37 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
 
> > If it's like that in health care, is it any different in accounting or IT for example?
 
> Well for one thing the salaries are a lot higher in healthcare. I can promise you neither she nor anyone in her group are making anywhere near what your sister makes!
 
> That said in her area there are plenty of people who are overpaid with the first dollar. She is totally on board with the "government is completely bloated" philosophy!
 
of course she realizes it, but you also have to do what is best for you and your family. If you want to be a mom first and foremost, it's a good job. I don't think just because someone takes a job like that they also can't speak to the waste and inefficiency.
 
 
 
> Btw when I've looked into jobs in my field in the govt, the salaries were significantly lower than what I make now. But would I work for 70% of my current pay for 20% of the workload (assuming your analogy really applies)? Heh!, tempting! But probably not, from what I have seen from her the political BS aspect of the job more than takes back the benefit of the "less real work required" aspect (not in value delivered, but in stress and strain on the employee).
 
the thing is though in many fields in the private sector there are tons of BS aspects to the job(from a paperwork and logistics standpoint) that you actually don't have to the same extent at the VA. If I worked at the VA, for example, I would never have to deal with stuff like insurance peer reviews, have far fewer petitioned pts/court commitments, no malpractice worries/paperwork, etc...so there are many plusses to that as well. Im sure in other fields(in exchange for some of the fed paperwork bs) you also are exempt from a lot of other hassles/pressures that we have to deal with in the real world
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 04:30PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>ical BS aspect of the job more than takes back the benefit of the "less rea=
>l work required" aspect (not in value delivered, but in stress and strain o=
>n the employee).
 
Government depends more on seniority and politics than ability
although manycompanies have their share.
 
A talented person ALWAYS wants to work where proving yourself superior
to others pays off.
 
With promotion comes responsibility and part of the job is stress IF
you let it be. Again, a talented person always comes up with solutions
to avoid stress. The ability to teach, organize and persuade is a
valuable talent.
 
Hugh
 
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"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:08AM -0700

Cool. We had a couple come trotting up last week.
 
Also a new round of fawns.
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:10AM -0700

> Cool. We had a couple come trotting up last week.
 
> Also a new round of fawns.
 
Snacks for the foxes?
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:14AM -0700

Coyotes.
 
I've told my neighbors that the coyotes will go down if I can get to my bow and have a clear shot towards the pond.
 
I love the foxes, rabbits, deer, etc. but the coyotes I have no love for in suburbia.
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jun 30 08:08AM -0700

> Coyotes.
 
> I've told my neighbors that the coyotes will go down if I can get to my bow and have a clear shot towards the pond.
 
> I love the foxes, rabbits, deer, etc. but the coyotes I have no love for in suburbia.
 
Yep, those bass turds moved into my neighborhood a few years ago and literally cleaned out all the barn/outdoor cats and small dogs. We've also seen a lot fewer rabbits, fawns, etc since they moved in. The squirrel population has increased though, go figure.
 
They are damb hard to shoot. Very elusive and cagey. Anyone who can get a shout should blast away at any time!
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 03:30PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:12:08 -0700 (PDT), Some dued
 
>When I was younger and zoos were less concerned with lawsuits I petted an Arctic Fox and a Rhino at the Tulsa zoo.
 
So far that's the only thing about you that has made me jealous.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 03:32PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:14:48 -0700 (PDT), "the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com"
 
>Coyotes.
 
>I've told my neighbors that the coyotes will go down if I can get to my bow
 
What pull?
 
Hugh
 
 
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"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:10AM -0700

My kids can't roll their Rs. It's funny. Of course one of them is still getting over substituting half her consonants with a W
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:12AM -0700

You've outdone me by a mile.
 
I think a big part of mine stems from traveling to/from Boston so much. They have a runway closed for construction and it delays everything in/out.
 
Also, storms on the east coast impact everything up/down the coast so there's that.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 02:43PM

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT), "the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com"
 
>You've outdone me by a mile.
 
>I think a big part of mine stems from traveling to/from Boston so much. They have a runway closed for construction and it delays everything in/out.
 
>Also, storms on the east coast impact everything up/down the coast so there's that.
 
I have flown into Logan and driven to the outskirts twice - my first
and last times. The 6 lane was so crowded I ran out of gas and didn't
know it for 15 miles.
 
That's scarier than an elected liberal.
 
Hugh
 
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"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jun 30 07:16AM -0700

I bet that's pretty good.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Jun 30 12:08PM

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 20:12:55 -0400, Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org>
wrote:
 
>to behave like robots, while they had compassion for the convicts and
>harassed us about being too strict with them. Most of those admins
>never did my job.
 
Life happens - but what you say was rare where I worked.
 
A good manager doesn't know all the answers. He expects those who
report to him to make contributions. Even if we once walked in others
shoes we forget over time.
 
The goal is to be a success - the boss always gets the credit. Pass it
around. That makes you bigger, not smaller.
 
Hugh
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