Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 12 updates in 1 topic

Wednesday, June 28, 2017

Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 06:44AM -0700

Rumour on Twitter has Markov asking for 12 million over two years. I guess we will find out if someone is willing to overpay Markov when MB leaves him unsigned for July 1st
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 28 09:23AM -0700

Yeah, that would be an impossible 35+ deal to swallow.
 
I'm perfectly fine with 2 years... but... it can't both 2 years term *and* the premium price.
 
I think it's a perfect negotiating stance for Markov though. He wants to 2 years. So give them this starting point. Then you can back off either direction and still win... Habs won't give 2 years? Ok, it's 1-year $6M, a big concession from Markov. Or... if you want the lower price, fine, but then keep 2 years... $4M for 2 years. Still a significant concession.
 
I think he gets either of those concession points easily on the UFA market if the Habs still don't budge.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 10:02AM -0700

If Markov's contract was the final item on MB's to do list I think MB would be flexible to Markov's requests. Until then MB will risk letting Markov walk, until other UFA targets are either signed or lost to other teams. If MB goes on a spending spree on Saturday and Markov still wants a raise, cap space might no longer be there
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 28 10:31AM -0700

The cool thing about free agency now is that Markov already knows what the market will bear. Any interested team has already talked to him. So he knows what his next step is. And by extension, therefore Bergevin does too. If Markov calls him back, he knows Markov isn't getting what he wants on the market, and they can talk. If Markov doesn't call him, he knows Markov is getting a good feeling from talking with other teams... and then he'll have to decide if he wants to get in touch and cave a little or let him walk. They ought to have this all figured out before July 1st the way things work these days.
 
The one thing that would make me cringe is if they sign some other D to a stupid UFA deal instead. UFA deals are not usually good ones. The Habs signed a middling defender in Petry to a pretty inflated deal. The latest buzz seems to have them wooing Karl Alzner. Now, I've liked Karl Alzner in the past, in general. He has been a solid and efficient stay-at-homer. The thing is, especially in this year's thin UFA market, he's possibly a 5x$5M player. And by most reports he has become significantly slowed and less effective in the past year or two relative to his previous reputation.
 
If you climb on board with a Petry or Alzner at these inflated contract levels and terms... well, then I don't see how that's better than paying Markov for 2 years.
 
The other funny twitterverse tidbit this morning had the Habs asking Vegas about trading Emelin back to them. That would be rather hilarious.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 10:40AM -0700

Vegas can't trade expansion drafted players directly back to thier old teams. Methot having been traded by Vegas, his new team could trade him back to Ottawa
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 11:16AM -0700

Markov amongst defencemen 39th on PP and 40th over all. Not the stats that shout out critical signing. Too late in his career to reward him for past performance over current production.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 11:25AM -0700

I think Vegas can trade players back, but I think unless Vegas hangs on part of Emelin's contract I see nothing the Habs can gain. I am pretty sure MB can make better use of the whole cap space Emelin used to occupy!
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 28 04:09PM -0700

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 1:40:16 PM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
> Vegas can't trade expansion drafted players directly back to thier
> old teams. Methot having been traded by Vegas, his new team could
> trade him back to Ottawa
 
That's what we always thought. But according to Pierre LeBrun and a whole lot of internet chatter this past week, that's not actually the case. It applies to players traded within a week of the expansion draft, but not players actually picked in the expansion draft (the Jan.1 2018 rule).
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 28 04:10PM -0700

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 2:16:25 PM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
> Markov amongst defencemen 39th on PP and 40th over all.
> Not the stats that shout out critical signing. Too late in his
> career to reward him for past performance over current production.
 
Hm, but 39th or 40th overall is like middle #2 defenseman... which is actually worth $6M present tense, alas.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 04:16PM -0700

I knew his PP stats were down but only one PP goal?
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 28 04:32PM -0700

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 7:16:51 PM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
> I knew his PP stats were down but only one PP goal?
 
Bottom line, the Habs aren't in an ideal spot either way, right? You don't sign Markov, and jeez, there is nobody else out there, or rather, worse longer term deals for players with even more warts. Or you take Markov at an enormous 1-year deal or riskier 2-year deal, and it's still not what you wish the Habs had as #2 defenseman. I don't see a "win" for the Habs either way, if Markov isn't giving any kind of discount.
 
But that's where they are. I'd personally take the known commodity in Markov, but the Habs are going to be painfully slow on the back end pretty much no matter what they do.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 28 04:49PM -0700

I think it highlights how silly it was to get rid of Beaulieu whose PP stats matched Markov. One year for Markov should work but no to a 2nd year. That year they will need the cap space for Price
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