Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 7 updates in 2 topics

Saturday, June 24, 2017

Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 24 11:44AM -0700

Another batch of new victims for Montreal's farm system. I really hope they overhaul Laval's coaching staff. Outside of the draft the news has been pretty boring for Habs fans. Even Eklund's predictions have been lamer then usual.
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jun 24 04:52PM -0300

It was a weak draft so I am not surprised at the lack of trades to move
up. GMs tried of course but asking price was too high.
 
TMA
 
Chuck wrote:
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 03:39PM -0700

It seemed like a reasonable draft to me. You never really know, but they seemed to land reasonable value relative to most rankings.
 
Personally, I might have swung for the fences a little harder with the 1st pick. I didn't watch Poehling this year. He sounds like a reasonably competent 2-way center, in the "safe"/"smart" vein. I'm not entirely a fan of playing it safe with a later 1st rounder. But he seems to be a solid enough player.
 
Picking all the WHL defensemen is a bit weird, but they all seem like solid choices relative to their rankings. It seems like the Habs are valuing a lot of "tweener" qualities in terms of guys who can play a bit both ways, aren't skill guys, but aren't plodding behemoths either, just more Davidsons and Schlemkos?
 
I like the Ikonen pick... that maybe seems to be the one guy who stands out with a bit of skill upside.
 
And trading upstream to get the extra pick to draft the goalie Primeau is also a reasonable move IMHO. He was getting bypassed, and if you perpetually kick those picks down the road a year, it's profit.
 
17 RYAN POEHLING C USA 6' 1" 177 NCHC ST. CLOUD STATE
56 JOSH BROOK D CAN 6' 1" 191 WHL MOOSE JAW
58 JONI IKONEN C FIN 5' 11" 177 SWEDEN-JR. FROLUNDA JR.
68 SCOTT WALFORD D CAN 6' 1" 193 WHL VICTORIA
87 CALE FLEURY D CAN 6' 1" 199 WHL KOOTENAY
149 JARRET TYSZKA D CAN 6' 2"188 WHL SEATTLE
199 CAYDEN PRIMEAU G USA 6' 2" 186 USHL LINCOLN
 
In terms of development, forget it. Bergevin seems to be dropping ample hints that he'll just keep his nepotism rolling with the staff in Laval, despite all their issues in the past 5 years. :S
 
l8r,
Gerry
gorgofromns@gmail.com: Jun 24 11:43AM -0700

As much as I like Price, if the Habs get a sense from him and his agent that he's going to go north of 9 mill per year for a contract I'd secretly feel out other GM's to see if they're interested in a deal. He is one commodity we have that would command a top line player in return, maybe even a top liner as well as a high draft pick (e.g Giroux plus a 1st?; Malkin?). This could make a big difference assuming we could go on the market and nab a good tender to replace Price. Of course we wouldn't be able to replace Price but someone of the calibre of Fluery or Bishop could take us to the promised land as long as there was a good team in front of him. I fear a big bucks contract to Price may handcuff the Habs for several years regardless of how good he is.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 24 12:08PM -0700

If you want max gain from a Price trade. He would have to be replaced by an RFA already in the system to eliminate any need to get a goalie back in a trade. This would clear up the most cap space to be used up front. But little chance of that happening since what team has enough assets to trade them for Price and still win. Classic dig one whole to fill another. Any return for him will disappoint other then covering the "can't let him walk for nothing" cliche solace for Habs fans
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jun 24 04:50PM -0300

> As much as I like Price, if the Habs get a sense from him and his agent that he's going to go north of 9 mill per year for a contract I'd secretly feel out other GM's to see if they're interested in a deal. He is one commodity we have that would command a top line player in return, maybe even a top liner as well as a high draft pick (e.g Giroux plus a 1st?; Malkin?). This could make a big difference assuming we could go on the market and nab a good tender to replace Price. Of course we wouldn't be able to replace Price but someone of the calibre of Fluery or Bishop could take us to the promised land as long as there was a good team in front of him. I fear a big bucks contract to Price may handcuff the Habs for several years regardless of how good he is.
 
Well with McDavid's agent asking for $14 million per for 8 years (I
predict they will probably settle for $12) Price will be coming in at $9
- $12 million per for 8 years.
 
TMA
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 03:25PM -0700

The Habs have tied their fate directly to Price thus far in the last near-decade. They might just as well ride that out. If I'm Price's agent, I demand an $80M contract at the absolute minimum. He might be able to top that on the open market considering taxes (and 7 years instead of 8), but it has to be a fair number based on the Habs' own demonstrated philosophy.
 
I wouldn't really lose sleep speculating on a trade or any other scenario. Just sign him for $10M per for 8 years, and roll with it. It's really the rest of what they do that matters most. They aren't EVER going to rebuild or anything, so folks ought to just assume a Price re-signing IMHO.
 
l8r,
Gerry
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