Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 4 topics

Friday, June 16, 2017

Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 16 05:21AM -0700

So far my impressions from scattered juniors viewings of Sergachev is that he's kind of like Malakhov - the good version. He's not liable to doing wild things or taking wild chances, but he has the ability to go end to end when he sees the chance. He makes things look effortless. Some people mistake that for casualness, but for him playing 30 mins a game, he's conserving energy well, making generally good decisions. Some people wish there was more pace or energy in his game, but I think he's smarter playing in control like he does. Now, that isn't to say he's mistake-free. He makes some, but I don't think it's unusual for a young defenseman playing his situations. He's not flashy or ostentatious at all, he's good in all situations at both ends.
 
I think the main danger with him is just the inherent risk in development curve. For any young defenseman. But also with the Habs' track record factored in. And the danger of him stagnating if he had to go back to junior again. Those are legitimate risk items IMHO. Not enormous ones - obviously Tampa is not scared off by them. But it at least leaves some uncertainty on the table.
 
Whereas it seems like Drouin has cleared his main hurdles.
 
What I think will be bizarre is if they follow through on the latest chatter now and do something like trading Galchenyuk for a young defenseman. The supposed "fit" with Minnesota and Brodin is one example. Brodin is a good defensemen in the new smooth/unaggressive/non-flashy style. He plays his position well and is mobile, doesn't really put up any points. But it will add up to some weird sidewayness in the end, taking Drouin to replace Galchenyuk, handing him a nice 6-year contract that they weren't willing to hand Galchenyuk... and getting a little smaller, while not addressing the center position at all.
 
Brodin and Drouin instead of Sergachev, Galchenyuk, and Beaulieu (lost to expansion) would not be a net gain, even if I like Brodin and Drouin just fine as players.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 16 09:28AM -0300

On 06/15/2017 04:12 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Looks like it's starting...
 
and of course Pierre Maguire doesn't like the move. I listened a bit to
his interview this morning on tsn 690. Apparently exchanging a prospect
at 18 (soon to be 19) for a 22 year old established top 3 forward is not
advisable because of the difference in age. Fairly lame argument in my
books. He was actually quite intense with his dislike of this move. Now,
I will agree if for instance they get rid of Galchenyuk and don't sign
Radulov. Then the move would make no sense. This move has to be an
improvement. If its just to band aid over the loss of Radulov while
Galchenyuk is traded for a defencman (as is the rumour) then this move
is a joke. It would be worse than a move sideways. It would be a loss in
the very area that they need improvement - scoring. So I'll wait to see
what transpires between now and July 1 before passing judgment on this
move. Maguire should do likewise but he's a fucking blowhard most times
so he needs to play the clown I suppose.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 16 05:54AM -0700

It would be silly to trade Galchenyuk for a defenceman.... while the need for more offence remains. Such a trade would cancel out any gain from Drouin
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jun 16 10:48AM -0400

Chuck wrote:
 
> It would be silly to trade Galchenyuk for a defenceman....
> while the need for more offence remains. Such a trade
> would cancel out any gain from Drouin
 
You know that, I know that, and the whole newsgroup knows
that. We're all thinking logically.
 
But logic and Mr. Foxhole have little to nothing to do with
each other.
 
I just can't see any good coming out of what's going on
especially if Radu isn't signed. We'll be worse off than
last season overall, even with Drouin in the mix.
 
Nyssa, who is wondering where her pet will end up
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: Jun 16 02:41PM -0700

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 5:28:03 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
> what transpires between now and July 1 before passing judgment on this
> move. Maguire should do likewise but he's a fucking blowhard most times
> so he needs to play the clown I suppose.
 
I'm ok with the general concept of this trade. It makes sense on multiple levels. As I mentioned in a different thread, given the Habs' current situation, trading future assets for current makes a fair bit of sense. Certainly better than just rolling out the same basic roster again and hoping for better luck. In my opinion, it's also better than starting a rebuild, and in any event, MB ain't interested in that so it's a moot point.
 
I'm also in favor of upgrading the offense, especially if it can be done without opening up holes elsewhere. And while this may put a dent in the *future* blueline, it doesn't affect the *current* one.
 
And finally, I think it's fine for the Habs to place some value on getting a "local hero," as long as it's treated as a nice bonus rather than driving the entire deal.
 
I'm not in love with the conditional pick swap here, but as a proven NHL'er, I guess the Habs had to pay something extra rather than a straight-up exchange of players. Still, I would have thought that Tampa's expansion draft problem -- they were poised to lose Namestnikov, I believe, until this deal solved it -- and cap constraints would have enabled MB to drive a harder bargain.
 
I agree that it will be a disappointment if this is followed up by a Galchenyuk-for-a-D trade.
 
I'm also going to note, with a sigh, that once again the Habs show that they're willing to take a player with an actual documentable "attitude problem" (he refused to report to the AHL as a 20-year-old, held out for six weeks of suspension). I don't really object to Drouin or think he'll be a problem, and certainly the previous "questionable character" guy MB acquired (Radulov) worked out well. But it does irritate me when that same management casts aspersions on guys like Subban and now Galchenyuk.
 
Jim
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 16 04:49PM -0300

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mcguire-drouin-acquisition-a-good-pr-move-for-habs-after-subban-trade~1148589
 
"Drouin is not a top 6 player on Tampa".
"If this is the only move they make, they wont make the playoffs"
 
I understand he's jealous that he wasn't picked as GM and I understand
he does need to sound off and sound like his blowhard self - that's his
shtick, I get it. But to take this 103 point team as is with the
addition of Drouin and say they wont make the playoffs is nothing short
of lunacy. I agree with much of what he's complained about with respect
to Bergevin but Jesus, Pierre -
Radulov-Galchenyuk-Pacioretty-Lehkonen-Danault-Gallagher is a damn good
top 6. Price alone if he's healthy makes this team almost a lock to make
the playoffs. So please Pierre, go back on your meds - you're looking silly.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 16 12:54PM -0700

I just assume the margins are so slim in the NHL right now that I wouldn't be surprised by any team missing the playoffs. Maybe Pittsburgh and Washington in the East would be surprising. Past that, anything goes... a lot would come down to injuries anyway.
 
If Therrien was still coach, I'd fully agree that the Habs would be likely candidates to miss, however.
 
But more than the addition of Drouin, it's the addition of Julien that would give me some reason for optimism.
 
Nevertheless, I don't think Bergevin is done yet, so it's really just premature to even make prognostications at this point. Let's see the finished product first.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jun 16 04:55PM -0400

Mike wrote:
 
> http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mcguire-drouin-acquisition-a-good-pr-move-
for-habs-after-subban-trade~1148589
> is a damn good top 6. Price alone if he's healthy makes
> this team almost a lock to make the playoffs. So please
> Pierre, go back on your meds - you're looking silly.
 
McGuire (along with Milbury) is one of the main reasons
I watched the playoffs on NBC with the sound muted and
listened to the radio play-by-play.
 
Idiotic predictions such as this are reasons this moron
never will be a GM or even an assistant coach again in
the NHL.
 
He goes for the absurd for effect rather than true
analysis.
 
I consider the source and scoff.
 
Nyssa, who is very good at scoffing
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 16 10:24AM -0700

Incidentally, I saw LeBrun tweet today that the PA is voting on a 2.5% escalator that would see the cap land at $75M.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 16 05:28AM -0700

I think they will trade Galchenyuk, yes, but also just go ahead and leave Radulov exposed. So there's not really any issue with the expansion list. If they can't find the right trade for Galchenyuk in time, not a problem.
 
Lost in the shuffle of the big trade and signing, they also signed Hudon for 2 years and gave him 1-way in Year 2 of that new deal. I like that there's a little show of love there too. If they do trade Galchenyuk for a d-man, maybe they protect Hudon too.
 
l8r,
Gerry
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