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Thursday, June 15, 2017

Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 12:12PM -0700

Looks like it's starting...
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 12:18PM -0700

Sergachev+2nd for Drouin+6th...
 
Don't know what the conditions are, but at least in isolation this makes a lot more sense. I mean, the Habs need offense, and this isn't sideways for Galchenyuk, at least. Maybe it insulates them better towards trading Galchenyuk for a center as their followup, while still building some scoring.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 12:22PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 3:12:20 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
> Looks like it's starting...
 
Gaining a player requiring protection, so someone has to be traded or bumped off the list
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 15 04:23PM -0300

On 06/15/2017 04:12 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Looks like it's starting...
 
yep
 
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/875429633860263936
 
Was really excited about Sergachev. Not sure about this one.
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 15 04:29PM -0300

On 06/15/2017 04:12 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Looks like it's starting...
 
Does this mean no Radulov I wonder?
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 12:32PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
 
> yep
 
> https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/875429633860263936
 
> Was really excited about Sergachev. Not sure about this one.
 
I`ll wait and see what other moves are made on defence. Montreal improves their offense while saving a young defenseman from a torturous entry into the NHL :)
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 12:33PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> On 06/15/2017 04:12 PM, Gerry wrote:
> > Looks like it's starting...
 
> Does this mean no Radulov I wonder?
 
I think they still arguably needed a scoring winger anyway, a pure add, but especially if they move Galchenyuk for Duchene. Drouin is creative and a good playmaker. Actually might have looked good WITH Galchenyuk, but I have to assume they're not thinking of going that route.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 12:35PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> On 06/15/2017 04:12 PM, Gerry wrote:
> > Looks like it's starting...
 
> Does this mean no Radulov I wonder?
 
I wouldn't think so. Drouin on LW, Radulov on RW, and a good skating responsible center might be a nice line?
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 12:45PM -0700

Apparently the conditions on the picks are that they only swap hands if Sergachev plays < 40 games next season.
 
That's a fair condition IMHO... I think the jury is pretty much out on whether Sergachev is truly ready or not. Habs might have rushed him just out of desperation, but I'm not sold on him being ready in a more ideal scenario. He's unfortunately kind of in that grey zone where he's unchallenged by the game at the OHL level, but doesn't have any other options. This way, he'll have to really be earning his keep to prompt the Bolts to keep him on and pass on taking the 2nd.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 15 05:17PM -0300

On 06/15/2017 04:12 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Looks like it's starting...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK2FvcsSc9Q
 
Drouin originally drafted as a centre. If they sign Radulov
 
Radulov-Drouin-Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Danault-Lehkonen-Gallagher-Shaw-Plekaenc
 
That's a decent top 9 there boys. In fact, its a good top 9.
 
Defence might still be an issue but they could go out and snag Girardi
perhaps for not too high a price
Weber-Girardi-Markov-Petry-Beaulieu/Benn (one of these 2 is likely gone)
 
That's not too bad of a lineup
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 01:35PM -0700

I think it has been tried and determined long ago and even more conclusively that Drouin can't play center in the NHL. I mean, if they try to use him there, after what they went through/failed to go through with Galchenyuk, then wow, that would have some big irony in it.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 15 05:26PM -0300

I'm too damn lazy to try and figure it out but as the ng resident
expert, I'm sure you're already working the numbers. Can they fit
Radulov, Galchenyuk in under the cap if Drouin signs for say $5M?
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 01:33PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 4:26:02 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> I'm too damn lazy to try and figure it out but as the ng resident
> expert, I'm sure you're already working the numbers. Can they fit
> Radulov, Galchenyuk in under the cap if Drouin signs for say $5M?
 
Short answer... yes, easily.
 
Long answer... I think I'll have a little more work to do, and will update in the thread when all the dust is settled. :)
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 01:34PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 4:26:02 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> I'm too damn lazy to try and figure it out but as the ng resident
> expert, I'm sure you're already working the numbers. Can they fit
> Radulov, Galchenyuk in under the cap if Drouin signs for say $5M?
 
Another reason to ditch and/or Plekanecs Emelin = lots of more useful cap space
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 04:58AM -0700

I mean, I understand that Galchenyuk has generally failed to make it as a center. But he has definitely had relatively little opportunity or encouragement in his attempts, and it just seems like the Habs almost go out of their way to not provide support to some of their young players. You'd think it would be in their best interests to really put some committed effort into helping ALL of them maximize their potential. Whereas instead they seem to feel like it's a better philosophy to just throw them off the pier with a cinder block tied around their ankles and see if they can manage to extricate themselves, sink or swim, may the fittest survive, it's better if they can get their on their own?
 
Galchenyuk is 23, 6-2/200... he's had a 30-goal season, I feel like it's a no-brainer that with his skill he can pot 30 goals and 30 assists annually. That's nothing to sneeze at, just by itself. But he's in a situation where, despite that potential, he has NEVER really been trusted or utilized as a top player for his team, never consistently had the kind of icetime or linemates to really maximize his output, always on a short rope.
 
I like Drouin, but here's a kid who bailed on his team, had 21 goals as his best so far, he's on the smaller side... has also proven that he is a winger in the NHL. I like his upside and creativity. I wonder what he'd be like under Michel Therrien? No wait, I don't - I know exactly how he'd have turned out under Therrien.
 
Drouin's a talented player, certainly on the level of Galchenyuk. He's also from Ste-Agathe, PQ. So there's a reasonable change of scenery scenario here.
 
But. Wait, the Habs need to add in a 1st and essentially another 1st in Beaulieu? Excuse me? What am I missing?
 
And once you trade for a skillsy little left winger... bon gars de chez nous or not... what chips do you have left to get the center(s) the team so desperately needs?
 
I would absolutely love to see Galchenyuk "set free" at this point, it would be fun to see him with some of the talented forwards on Tampa Bay, inside the division. I'd love to see him in Nashville even more. :) Give him a call, PK, let him know the joys of being "set free". And per the subject title of this thread... maybe keep your mind open about your own freedom too Mr. Price! It's not as oppressive for you as for these other guys, but...
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 15 09:22AM -0300

On 06/14/2017 11:46 PM, Chuck wrote:
> Galchenyuk is still capable of being the team's best playmaking forward. Playmaking forwards are a sparse commodity on Montreal. But some fans want to exchange Galchenyuk for a better goal scorer. If they did make such a trade, who is left amongst the forwards, set that players goals up? No one is going to trade Montreal a player who can produce star like stats without chemistry from capable linemates. MBs only hope is to work on getting more consistent production from more lines. To get more 20 goal scores then gambling on acquiring a single potential 40+ scorer. I think CJ with a fresh start this season will do a lot better then MT did at developing offence past the 1st line. There are no easy one for one trades to fix this
 
See, I'm of the opinion that Galchenyuk would have more success as a
winger provided he had a decent centreman to augment his skill. I think
Galchenyuk's playmaking skills are not at #1 centre levels. He tends to
hang on to the puck too long and hasn't yet got out of the minor hockey
mode where he could beat everyone on the ice one-on-five. There's
nothing wrong with being a good winger - I think he could easily out
score Pacioretty and be a #1 winger and for that reason alone I wouldn't
trade him. And of the players they talked about, Galchenyuk's skill is
as good or better than theirs anyway and certainly his stats would tell
you that at best its a sideways move. If I was tempted to make a
sideways move (I wouldn't) it would be straight up. No way I'm throwing
draft picks in there with it.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 06:36AM -0700

I wouldn't hold it against Galchenyuk for holding the puck too long. I'd rather blame linemates who too often find trouble getting themselves open, as well as defencemen such as Emelin and Petry, where too many passes back to the blue line are not held in. Along with, when they do pass the puck it is rarely anywhere useful. They tend to just clear the puck deeper where it has to be fought for. He has linemates that when passed to, unless it produces an immediate shot on goal, the puck is rarely moved somewhere useful. I thought poor puck control from the points worked against the puck possession time of all their lines. Weber's biggest asset, his shot was wasted during equal strength hockey because he rarely had enough of them. The constant fumbling with the puck at the points should also be blamed for Gallagher's off season, quality shots he could screen were too rare this past season. The biggest impact this season will be if CJ can obliterate any memory of MT's stupid don't think, just dump system
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 07:51AM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> you that at best its a sideways move. If I was tempted to make a
> sideways move (I wouldn't) it would be straight up. No way I'm throwing
> draft picks in there with it.
 
I don`t understand why all the discussions of Montreal's problems at centre are directed at Galchenyuk. When all the other centres on the team suck when it comes to offence. Just changing out/trading Galchenyuk doesn`t fix anything if the new centre is surrounded by the same production starved centres next year. It will just be a repeat of the mistake they made trading Subban when all they did was change the face of the one successful defenceman they had, while those around him struggled. How well did Drouin and Duchene play under pressure last season? Slot one of them in Galchenyuk's spot, without addressing the lack of depth below that centre spot, how well will they handle the pressure as Montreal's new saviour centre?
Ed <ed.matthews@gmail.com>: Jun 15 08:21AM -0700

Sacre bleu Mike!
 
How dare you bring the captain into this conversation. He's their 30 goal scorer and captain of this team.
To think that this kid could meet or exceed the captain's productivity is ludicrous.
 
Let MB make the decisions but do not bring up that name as part of this conversation.
 
Ed
 
BTW. You are so right in what you said :)
 
I fully expect Bergy to fuck this up royally.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jun 15 11:40AM -0400

Chuck wrote:
 
> addressing the lack of depth below that centre spot, how
> well will they handle the pressure as Montreal's new
> saviour centre?
 
All the things said about the current situation and my pet
are right on the mark. He's got the talent, but has been
mis-coached for most of his time with the Habs. Let's see
what a full season with CJ can do for him before pulling
any triggers on a rushed trade.
 
What worries me are the "insider source" reports coming
from various reporters and sports "personalities" that somehow
my pet is a problem in the room. No specifics are ever given,
just the hints of problems, existent or otherwise.
 
It's the *exact* same pattern that happened around PK before
the Big Trade last summer. Were any of those ever substantiated?
Or were they just attempts to make PK less of a shining light
to fans while negotiations were being made?
 
Are these rumblings and unnamed insider sources part of a
similar campaign to somehow tarnish Chucky's worth to the
fanbase?
 
I hope history is not repeating itself. We're going to be
suffering from the PK trade for years to come. I'd hate to
see the same thing happen with a Galchenyuk trade that ends
up costing us not only one of the more talented members of
the current team but also other assets such as draft picks
for what would amount to, at best, a lateral trade.
 
The inmates are indeed running the Canadiens asylum.
 
Nyssa, who has no trust in the thought processes or actions
of the Habs Foxhole remnants
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 08:49AM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 11:22:01 AM UTC-4, Ed wrote:
 
 
> I fully expect Bergy to fuck this up royally.
 
Lets see if MB will do a veteran rescue and make Beauchemin one of his 1st UFA signs, now that the Avalanche have bought him out.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jun 15 12:34PM -0400

Chuck wrote:
 
 
> Lets see if MB will do a veteran rescue and make
> Beauchemin one of his 1st UFA signs, now that the
> Avalanche have bought him out.
 
PA Parenteau won't be picked up by the Preds for next
season. MB might think a rerun is a Good Idea.
 
Plenty of UFAs out there of various ages and abilities
from which to glean our new, improved DEPTH lineup!
 
Nyssa, who hopes everyone recognizes sarcasm when they
read it
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 10:42AM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 12:35:18 PM UTC-4, Nyssa wrote:
> from which to glean our new, improved DEPTH lineup!
 
> Nyssa, who hopes everyone recognizes sarcasm when they
> read it
 
The Avalanche choosing to buy Beauchemin out rather then get him to waive a NMC could be an indication they have made a deal for a player they would need to protect. Buying him out creates certainty of him being gone rather then getting to waive the NMC with the hope he could be moved
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 15 12:19PM -0700

As soon as I saw the Beauchemin buyout, I said boom, there's a perfect Habs signing. :S He's getting all that buyout money anyway, perfect bargain bin scoop to add some more valuable veteran depth to our young mobile D.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 15 12:51PM -0700

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 3:19:46 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
> As soon as I saw the Beauchemin buyout, I said boom, there's a perfect Habs signing. :S He's getting all that buyout money anyway, perfect bargain bin scoop to add some more valuable veteran depth to our young mobile D.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
If they really want him, I could live with it just so long as Emelin would be gone, and the cap space goes to sign more offence :). Hate the move if they picked him up without geting rid of someone
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