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Monday, June 19, 2017

ariess@bellsouth.net: Jun 18 08:50PM -0700

he says the team started to fall apart after the duffy trade. I do have to question his insight though, as he is a Trump supporter.
"benf802961@aol.com" <benf802961@aol.com>: Jun 18 09:36PM -0700

> he says the team started to fall apart after the duffy trade. I do have to question his insight though, as he is a Trump supporter.
 
What good is a Duffy that can't play due to injury?
Jon Rossen <jonr17@comcast.net>: Jun 19 12:44AM -0700

> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 8:50:59 PM UTC-7, ari...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> he says the team started to fall apart after the duffy trade. I do have to question his insight though, as he is a Trump supporter.
 
> What good is a Duffy that can't play due to injury?
 
The barber would say that you are spreading fake news.
 
But both points of view could be right: The Giants *did* fall apart
after the Duffy trade. And, YES, Duffy has health problems and can't
play. So they maybe would have fallen apart because of that as well.
So it boils down to this: Not having Matt Duffy playing (whether it's
because of a trade or due to injury) has negatively affected the Giants.
See, it's a lose / lose situation.
 
 
-jon rossen
"Roberto Ricca" <robertoTOGLI@TOGLIrrweb.org>: Jun 19 12:06PM +0200

<ariess@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> he says the team started to fall apart after the duffy trade. I do
> have to question his insight though, as he is a Trump supporter.
 
The Duffy trade was bad (not for the trade in itself, more for nicking
or even destroying team's chemistry, whatever the value of it), but
there is something that I wonder and never comes up in the papers I
read.
 
There are prestigious positions which don't count too much and then
actually leading roles. In my country, for instance, the Prime Minister
is much more powerful than the President, even though it is the latter
who formally chooses the former.
 
I've often read that a nice way to practically get rid of somebody is to
"promote" him from a leading role to a prestigious position.
 
Did the Giants get rid of Sabean last year? I always had that
impression, but nobody speaks of it hence I keep wondering. Maybe I am
badly wrong (which is excusable as I am ten thousands miles away:-), but
has Sabean stilll a meaningful active role in the Giants brass?
 
I don't know whether Sabean would have traded Duffy or made a stronger
push to get Melancon last year. Sure, Melancon is badly failing this
year, but I'm talking of last year, when he was excellent, and could
have been the missing link for another even-year triumph.
 
I guess that, like the barber shop owner mentioned in the subject, all
of us are allowed to speculate when things go awry, and if I had just a
vote for "the reason why", I'd get it to Sabean's "dismissal".
 
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2012: 2nd time WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
2014: 3rd time WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
2017: GO GIANTS (Anybody but the Dodgers) [Magic Number: 111]
Awesome Giants <Giants@sf.giants>: Jun 19 02:28PM

>> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 8:50:59 PM UTC-7,
>> ari...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>> he says the team started to fall apart after the duffy trade.
 
Wrong. See below.
 
>>> I
>>> do have to question his insight though, as he is a Trump
>>> supporter.
 
Well, Florida in general have dumb people. They put George W into
office, and they voted for Trump. They couldn't even figure out
which box to check in the ballot in 2000.
 
Come to think of it, all the republican presidents in this century
have been put in office due to controversies - hanging chads and
Russian hack. Coincidence, or did they cheated successfully twice?
 
>> What good is a Duffy that can't play due to injury?
 
Exactly. And remember, he was absolutely the worst hitter last year
in the lineup. Also, Duffy was traded on Aug 1st, and the Giants
started losing horribly right after the all-star game. Had the
Giants continued to win in those last 2 weeks of July, the Giants
probably would not have traded him.
 
And the DRays went way downhill after getting Duffy, so he's
certainly no help or luck. At the time the Rays got Duffy, they
were 17 games behind 1st place. By the end of the season they were
25 games behind 1st place.
 
And as it turned out, Duffy's a defective product.
 
Also, had they not traded Duffy for Moore, the Giants most likely
would not have even made the playoff, as Moore replaced Peavy/Cain,
who were garbage at that point. And Moore dominated the Cubs in
Game 4. The Giants might have knocked out the Cubs had the bullpen
not achieved the greatest 9th inning collapse in playoff history.
 
Gillaspie also hit the lights out in the playoff.
 
> The barber would say that you are spreading fake news.
 
LOLOL. Good one!
Awesome Giants <Giants@sf.giants>: Jun 19 02:30PM

> all of us are allowed to speculate when things go awry, and if I
> had just a vote for "the reason why", I'd get it to Sabean's
> "dismissal".
 
I don't agree. I believe by winning 3 WS in 5 years, Sabean has
achieved royal status in the organization. He's become unfireable. It
was a real promotion. The A's sort of did the same with Billy Beane,
despite the A's not doing much in recent years, and moved him up to
EVP. He's also achieved royal status, and unfireable.
 
BTW, what did you think Sabean did that would let the Giants to "get
rid of him" anyway?
 
And obviously, I also disagree about Duffy (see my other post). By
your logic, one can argue that replacing Sabean as GM is a better
explanation for the Giants' downfall than Duffy's trade. With Sabes as
GM, we've been winning every 2 years this decade. With someone else as
GM, the streak has broken. :-) With Duffy, the timeline didn't fit.
"benf802961@aol.com" <benf802961@aol.com>: Jun 19 07:42AM -0700

They didn't get rid of Sabean, they promoted him to vice president of baseball operations in 2015. Bobby Evans seems to be a lousy day to day talent evaluator.
"Bill McGarrity" <bill.mcgarrity@tequilamockingbirdonline.net.remove-es3-this>: Jun 18 06:38PM -0400

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With today's outcome... the season is over.
 
Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
Posey's choice of pitches?
 
Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
 
 
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ariess@bellsouth.net: Jun 18 08:42PM -0700

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:48:03 PM UTC-4, Bill McGarrity wrote:
Awesome Giants <Giants@sf.giants>: Jun 19 02:13PM

"Bill McGarrity"
 
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> With today's outcome... the season is over.
 
Yup. I even thought that way back in early May, but I didn't want
to face reality and it seemed crazy to give up so early. But I just
don't see how this lame duck offense can win games.
 
> Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to
> override Posey's choice of pitches?
 
Maybe 1 or 2 times per year, wayne actually gave a correct answer.
:-)
 
> Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
 
There might be a few trades, but I don't see a fire sale. Posey,
Crawford, and Bumgarner are untouchable. Panik at one point was
untouchable, but now he's struggled for a year and a half, so he's
not as safe as before. But as a 2B, he should still be fine.
 
I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd trade Pence either. This
team treats their past heros very well. I think he'll just ride out
his contract.
 
Cain and Samardzija are untradeable due to their salaries and
performance. If these 2 can be traded, the GM should get a raise.
Cain also belongs in Pence's past hero category.
 
Belt is an interesting case. Money wise, it makes perfect sense to
trade him. But he's very popular among fans and he's the team
leader in HR and RBI, things that seem to be hard to come by for
this team. Despite his uninspiring stats, he might be harder to
replace than you think. I'm neutral on this one.
 
Cueto, Moore, Nunez, and Span are the tradeable ones. I have no
guesses on which ones the Giants like to keep.
 
Melancn is another tough one. I have no idea what the Giants think
on him. Blach's and Law's job should be safe. The rest of the pen
is not, but not sure who would want them.
 
Slater should be safe too. If he continues to hit well, the Giants
no doubt would keep him. If he sucks in the next few weeks, I'm not
sure any team would want him. :-)
"Bill McGarrity" <bill.mcgarrity@tequilamockingbirdonline.net.remove-242-this>: Jun 19 10:12AM -0400

To: ariess
-=> ariess wrote to alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants on 06-18-17 20:42 <=-
 
ar> From Newsgroup: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
 
ar> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:48:03 PM UTC-4, Bill McGarrity wrote:
 
> Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
> Posey's choice of pitches?
 
> Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
 
ar> unfortunately pitchers always have the final say. why even pitch to
renado
ar> ?
 
Understood... but here is the thing he and all pitchers needs to take into
consideration. The catcher is the field commander. Now I can understand a
pitcher not like one, maybe two called pitches per game, but I'm sure Posey
knew what and where he wanted the pitch to Arenado and the 3 batters before
him. I hope Buster had a sitdown with him after the game and reeled him in but
in hindsight now, I feel the season is over and a firesale will be coming soon.
 
 

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"benf802961@aol.com" <benf802961@aol.com>: Jun 19 07:37AM -0700

Posey
Crawford
Panik
Bumgarner
Blach
 
I would keep those 5 and unload the rest.
Awesome Giants <Giants@sf.giants>: Jun 19 02:32PM


> After allowing earned runs, Bochy finally pulls Samardzija and Law
> comes in to give up 2 more runs. Something is wrong with Law
> because his ERA has ballooned to over 4.00
 
LOL. When someone he doesn't like screws up, it's "This idiot", "that
SOB", but when someone he likes screws up, it's "something is wrong
with him". Oh no, Law is injured! LMAO!
Awesome Giants <Giants@sf.giants>: Jun 19 02:33PM


> something is wrong with
> law and the choice to put him in the game in that situation
 
LOLOLOLOLOL. This one is even more retarded. OMG. HAHAHA.
Awesome Giants <Giants@sf.giants>: Jun 19 02:10PM


> Why the F*** would you keep on pitching to the one guy who has
> torched you every year for years??? This is not an IQ test.
 
Geez man, the guy hit for the cycle *and* hit the 3-run walkoff HR?
Let's see what he did this series: 9 RBI, 10 hits, 1 walkoff HR, 5
doubles, hit for the cycle, and batted .500. His RBIs in Games 1 & 4
were the difference between winning and losing in those games. This
guy to the Giants is like what Barry Bonds was to the rest of the
league. The Giants should intentionally walk him *a lot* and take your
chances on the next guy(s). Normally I don't blame stuff on Boch much;
there's an idiot here who already blames everything on him all the
time. But I'd blame 2 of the 4 losses in this series to Boch for
treating this guy like any other guy. The entire series he did not
walk even once! WTF?!!!
 
I can just copy & paste what I posted a few days ago word for word:
 
Why the F*** would you keep on pitching to the one guy who has torched
you every year for years??? This is not an IQ test.
John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>: Jun 18 11:30AM -1000

As usual, the meager hitting by the Giants has produced 2 runs on 5
hits. Well, making them count just went out the window as Blach gave
up the 2nd run in the 7th and he's running into a high pitch count at
101. He also served up a fat one that Story hit out of the park.
 
Giants 2 Rockies 2
 
Wha the hell, if one homer is good, two is better and Blach gives up
another one to Valaika. Maybe it's time to pull him Bochy? Think?
Belt continues to strike out like he's chasing some kind of record.
 
Here comes Kontos!
 
Giants 2 Rockies 3
John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>: Jun 18 12:36PM -1000

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:30:49 -1000, John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>Belt continues to strike out like he's chasing some kind of record.
 
>Here comes Kontos!
 
>Giants 2 Rockies 3
 
The Giants tie the game and then take the lead, until Bochy goes to
Melancon and his 3 blown saves. Yes, he made it 4 blown saves as he
gives up 4 runs in the 9th.
 
Giants 5 Rockies 7
ariess@bellsouth.net: Jun 18 08:47PM -0700

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 5:30:53 PM UTC-4, JohnW wrote:
> Belt continues to strike out like he's chasing some kind of record.
 
> Here comes Kontos!
 
> Giants 2 Rockies 3
 
blach is usually good for about 95 or 96 pitches, problem is can't trust the pen. I would have walked arrenado in his last ab with blach, and in the 9th. do not want this guy to beat us, or give him the chance for a cycle. mr. rbi posey, unclutch in the 9th. Bochy's job has to be on the block.
ariess@bellsouth.net: Jun 18 08:48PM -0700

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 5:30:53 PM UTC-4, JohnW wrote:
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