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Monday, May 15, 2017

SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: May 15 11:39AM -0700

:(
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 11:43AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> :(
 
Reason ?
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 15 06:44PM

On Mon, 15 May 2017 11:43:23 -0700, Shakes wrote:
 
> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
>> :(
 
> Reason ?
 
https://www.si.com/tennis/2017/05/15/roger-federer-withdraws-french-open
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 15 06:46PM

On Mon, 15 May 2017 18:44:36 +0000, jdeluise wrote:
 
>>> :(
 
>> Reason ?
 
> https://www.si.com/tennis/2017/05/15/roger-federer-withdraws-french-open
 
And I'll save bob and Max the effort...
 
 
Sports Illustrated? lol.
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 11:46AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > :(
 
> Reason ?
 
Never mind, just read the news. Good decision IMO.
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 11:52AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> :(
 
PWL would be disappointed for sure. He had the strategy ready for Fed. :)
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: May 15 10:05PM +0300

15.5.2017, 21:43, Shakes kirjoitti:
> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
>> :(
 
> Reason ?
 
Cowardice. Said earlier this year that a reason for his poor success
against Rafa has been the scheduled beating on clay.
 
I think Ljubicic told him that he should avoid Rafa on clay.
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 12:10PM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> Cowardice. Said earlier this year that a reason for his poor success
> against Rafa has been the scheduled beating on clay.
 
> I think Ljubicic told him that he should avoid Rafa on clay.
 
:)) I am sure Nadal was also hoping to regain the mental edge with a victory on clay.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: May 15 09:24PM +0200

> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
>> :(
 
> PWL would be disappointed for sure. He had the strategy ready for Fed. :)
 
I definitly like to watch him playing and at times I know I am
selfish asking for too much from a 35 years old player.
Part of Federer success is his ability to make tough decisions and
clearly he is targeting everything after the FO until the end of
the year.
 
Also he knows what to expect from other competitors on grass and HC.
 
It will be interesting to see if it works out for him.
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 15 12:30PM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> Cowardice. Said earlier this year that a reason for his poor success
> against Rafa has been the scheduled beating on clay.
 
> I think Ljubicic told him that he should avoid Rafa on clay.
 
It was wisdom. He shouldn't waste his time on the FO whether Rafa is there or not. He risks injuring himself in that dirt-pit when he should grab a head start tuning himself up for Wimbledon. Smart choice from the Great Man.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: May 15 10:30PM +0300

15.5.2017, 22:10, Shakes kirjoitti:
>> against Rafa has been the scheduled beating on clay.
 
>> I think Ljubicic told him that he should avoid Rafa on clay.
 
> :)) I am sure Nadal was also hoping to regain the mental edge with a victory on clay.
 
Pretty damn pathetic from Fed.
 
Now let's ask Courtsie if she thinks Fed has a 'silent ban'?
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: May 15 10:38PM +0300

15.5.2017, 22:30, Gracchus kirjoitti:
>> against Rafa has been the scheduled beating on clay.
 
>> I think Ljubicic told him that he should avoid Rafa on clay.
 
> It was wisdom. He shouldn't waste his time on the FO whether Rafa is there or not. He risks injuring himself in that dirt-pit when he should grab a head start tuning himself up for Wimbledon. Smart choice from the Great Man.
 
It could also backfire, yes he keeps h2h and aura intact but could also
lose competitive edge.
 
One could also note that he's practically giving up on #1, guess it
isn't that important after all. Then again he wouldn't have won anything
during clay season anyway the way Rafa is playing.
 
Courtsie, is he doping or serving a silent ban? Thanks in advance.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: May 15 09:42PM +0200

> isn't that important after all. Then again he wouldn't have won anything
> during clay season anyway the way Rafa is playing.
 
> Courtsie, is he doping or serving a silent ban? Thanks in advance.
 
Why are you that upset that Federer isn't playing the FO?
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: May 15 10:55PM +0300

15.5.2017, 22:42, PeteWasLucky kirjoitti:
>> during clay season anyway the way Rafa is playing.
 
>> Courtsie, is he doping or serving a silent ban? Thanks in advance.
 
> Why are you that upset that Federer isn't playing the FO?
 
Because it's disgusting cowardice. The only reason he doesn't play is to
avoid in-form Rafa on clay. That's not fair game and I hope it backfires.
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: May 15 01:01PM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 3:55:30 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
 
> > Why are you that upset that Federer isn't playing the FO?
 
> Because it's disgusting cowardice. The only reason he doesn't play is to
> avoid in-form Rafa on clay. That's not fair game and I hope it backfires.
 
Rafa will lose to Fognini, or Thiem, ND or Delpo at the FO!!
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: May 15 01:09PM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 3:38:18 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
 
> isn't that important after all. Then again he wouldn't have won anything
> during clay season anyway the way Rafa is playing.
 
> Courtsie, is he doping or serving a silent ban? Thanks in advance.
 
TT, shut up! I've already posted on this ng ad nauseam that I think all the top players dope. IMO this is a smart move for Federer. His chances of winning the FO even with this dilapidated clay field are slim. Nadal would probably not be his only challenge on this surface and he doesn't want to risk injury. He'll be 36 years old soon! It makes much more sense to go for Wimbledon and the USO.
 
The fact that you are so upset about a tennis player you despise missing any tournament is hilarious. The reason you are upset is because you know that once Nadal sweeps the clay season and is off clay he becomes more vulnerable and you must be worried that a rested Federer could be a problem for Nadal off clay. There, there! It will all be ok. You'll get your 10th FO and then Nadal will have four more to go to surpass Federer! Should be easy for Nadal, right? ;)
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 15 08:18PM

On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:09:32 -0700, Court_1 wrote:
 
> The reason you are upset is because you know that once Nadal sweeps the
> clay season and is off clay he becomes more vulnerable and you must be
> worried that a rested Federer could be a problem for Nadal off clay.
 
I'm not sure. I'd like to start taking bets on which middling journeyman
will beat Nadal at Wimbledon yet again this year!
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 01:18PM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 20:39:48 UTC+2 schreef SliceAndDice:
> :(
 
There goes my fantasy of him serve volleying to a 2nd FO title... :(
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 15 08:19PM

On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:18:50 -0700, kaennorsing wrote:
 
> Op maandag 15 mei 2017 20:39:48 UTC+2 schreef SliceAndDice:
>> :(
 
> There goes my fantasy of him serve volleying to a 2nd FO title... :(
 
Hey, maybe he'll change his mind and take a last minute wildcard!
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 01:21PM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 22:09:34 UTC+2 schreef Court_1:
 
> > Courtsie, is he doping or serving a silent ban? Thanks in advance.
 
> TT, shut up! I've already posted on this ng ad nauseam that I think all the top players dope. IMO this is a smart move for Federer. His chances of winning the FO even with this dilapidated clay field are slim. Nadal would probably not be his only challenge on this surface and he doesn't want to risk injury. He'll be 36 years old soon! It makes much more sense to go for Wimbledon and the USO.
 
> The fact that you are so upset about a tennis player you despise missing any tournament is hilarious. The reason you are upset is because you know that once Nadal sweeps the clay season and is off clay he becomes more vulnerable and you must be worried that a rested Federer could be a problem for Nadal off clay. There, there! It will all be ok. You'll get your 10th FO and then Nadal will have four more to go to surpass Federer! Should be easy for Nadal, right? ;)
 
Good post. Let's see how TT reacts if Rafa tactically skips Wimbledon (or any other slam) 5 years from now. He's so transparant in his emotional responses it's kind of endearing.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 01:22PM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 22:19:21 UTC+2 schreef jdeluise:
> >> :(
 
> > There goes my fantasy of him serve volleying to a 2nd FO title... :(
 
> Hey, maybe he'll change his mind and take a last minute wildcard!
 
:))
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: May 15 01:01PM -0700

If Murray and Djokovic keep going out early at Rome and FO and Nadal takes both he will be number two going into Wimbledon.
 
If Murray's form continues at Wimbledon Nadal can be number one without doing anything at Wimbledon (Murray has 3200 points to defend at FO and W).
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: May 15 12:59PM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 2:13:51 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
> > or such nonsense. You're directly tampering with your opponent's
> > composure.
 
> Is there a youtube link to this episode ? I think I might have missed it when it actually happened.
 
Fed said shut up to Novak Sr, he should have said, shut the fuck up, you euro trash, and take your whorewife with you, mac said that at the us open to a corp sponsor!!!
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 11:42AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 5:52:57 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 8:46:31 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> We have 4 in a 17 year stretch. As Mikko pointed out, Edberg was 'close' as well.
 
Stats are nice, but what the stats don't show is that what Edberg/Mac/Lendl had to face to ALMOST bridge the FO-W gap is far different and difficult than what Fed/Nadal/Djok had to do.
 
Mac (S/V'er) had to beat Lendl (baseliner) to win the FO in 1984. Same for Edberg vs. Chang in the FO F. Lendl (baseliner) had to beat Becker/Cash/Edberg (S/V'ers) to win Wim (on the old grass, mind you). If they all had been able to do that, they would've done something tougher than what Fed/Nadal/Djok had to do.
 
Laver CYGS in 1969, Agassi CGS in 1999, Fed in 2009, Nadal in 2010, Djok in 2016.
 
Personally, I would say it's clear that winning the CGS has gotten easier relatively, but if you think you need to see Murray or Wawrinka also complete it before you are convinced, sure.
grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com>: May 15 07:38PM +0100

On 15/05/2017 12:24, TT wrote:
 
>> Gracchus has thin skin. I'm trying to help him, toughen him up. It's a
>> cold hard world out there he's not well equipped to handle.
 
> :)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pex_ASYQPM
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