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Thursday, May 11, 2017

Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 11 10:25AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 3:34:36 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> > Blame has to fall to Sharapova... she shouldn't have lost that match.
 
> You seem overly worked up over a meaningless tune-up?
 
Symbolically it was far from meaningless and both players knew it. That's why they fought like it was a slam.
 
Anyway, I don't know why Raja feels compelled to play Sharapova's knight on a white steed. She doesn't need the help and doesn't deserve it.
 
Meanwhile, I'm a big fan of Bouchard now. She showed blatant disrespect for Sharapova and never backed off one inch from it. Beautiful stuff.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 11 10:28AM -0700

Are you very PC or just more into men??
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 05:46PM +0200

Is that Bernie of formula 1 in the stands watching Murray and Coric?
 
Tiriac really does his job, big stars and celebrities are always
there, Real Madrid, Barcelona players, various athletes,
businessmen, etc.
 
 
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 11 06:24PM +0100

On 11/05/2017 16:46, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Is that Bernie of formula 1 in the stands watching Murray and Coric?
 
Well, he might be in Spain for the Spanish GP which is this weekend.
He no longer really needs to attend, but he can't stay away it seems.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 06:02PM +0200

2-1 h2h now
 
As much as Murray has no problem with Kyrgios Coric seems to be
totally opposite. Similar games.
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MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net>: May 11 10:20AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:30:02 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
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1st Lucky Loser to beat #1?
 
.mikko
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 11 09:04AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 3:35:48 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> >> Buble?
 
> > :))))))))
 
> KD Lang too.
 
OK... Oscar Peterson, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Sarah McLachlin, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Gil Evans, Drake, Molly Johnson, Chad Kroeger, Brian Adams, Avril Lavigne, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Denny Doherty (Mama&ThePapas), Holly Cole, Feist, Alanis Morissette, Emilie Claire Barlow, Nelly Furtado, Bruce Cockburn, Carly Rae Jespen, Gordon Downie, Terry Jacks (going back now), Diana Krall, Randy Bachman, Ronnie Hawkins, Maynard Ferguson, Tom Cochrane, Burton Cummings... a lot of Rock groups are Canadian... Rush, etc... I'm forgetting a lot of others...
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 11 10:01AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:04:53 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > > :))))))))
 
> > KD Lang too.
 
> OK... Oscar Peterson, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Sarah McLachlin, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Gil Evans, Drake, Molly Johnson, Chad Kroeger, Brian Adams, Avril Lavigne, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Denny Doherty (Mama&ThePapas), Holly Cole, Feist, Alanis Morissette, Emilie Claire Barlow, Nelly Furtado, Bruce Cockburn, Carly Rae Jespen, Gordon Downie, Terry Jacks (going back now), Diana Krall, Randy Bachman, Ronnie Hawkins, Maynard Ferguson, Tom Cochrane, Burton Cummings... a lot of Rock groups are Canadian... Rush, etc... I'm forgetting a lot of others...
 
The Guess Who? Glenn Gould, Mort Garson, Loreena McKennitt!
 
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 11 10:20AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 9:04:53 AM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > > :))))))))
 
> > KD Lang too.
 
> OK... Oscar Peterson
 
One of those artists where you're proud to have his music but never want to actually listen to it.
 
> Leonard Cohen
 
Dead but still great
 
> Neil Young
 
Alive but no longer great
 
> Gordon Lightfoot
 
Wonderful songwriter and singer. Too bad his voice is gone now
 
> Anne Murray
 
Can't get any blander than her.
 
> Joni Mitchell
 
Early stuff was fantastic. "Marcie" is one of the most perfectly-crafted songs I've ever heard. But later stuff, not so much. A lot of crappy pseudo-jazz improvised on the spot.
 
> Celine Dion
 
Nice voice but soulless.
 
> Denny Doherty (Mama&ThePapas)
 
Great group. Denny had a good voice.
 
> Alanis Morissette
 
Haven't heard her for some time. I wonder if she's still terribly annnoying.
 
> Bruce Cockburn
 
He wrote some fantastic songs. Excellent guitar player too.
 
> Terry Jacks (going back now)
 
Wow! Terry Jacks. "Seasons in the Sun" is a classic, but I thought he was a one-hit wonder
 
> Diana Krall
 
She's a bitch. I don't care how well she plays piano.
 
> Burton Cummings
 
"Stand Tall" was one of the more annoying songs of the era, along with "Wildfire" and "Shannon."
 
> a lot of Rock groups are Canadian... Rush, etc... I'm forgetting a lot of others...
 
I haven't heard Rush in ages. Haven't wanted to either.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: May 11 08:45AM -0700

What's you guys' opinions as to the significance of these poll numbers?
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 11 11:00AM -0500

> On 5/11/2017 3:10 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> Trump has a 36% approval rating compared to 58% who disapprove of him.
 
Guess what? Trump is still exercising all the powers of the presidency! 😁👍
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 05:51PM +0200

> What's you guys' opinions as to the significance of these poll numbers?
 
Fake news.
 
He surely doesn't have 80% approval but the ones who supported him
still support him. He declined somewhat in April which worried
some people but he seems to be peaking now again.

 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 11 06:01PM +0100

On 11/05/2017 16:45, Carey wrote:
 
> What's you guys' opinions as to the significance of these poll numbers?
 
As with all polls, they are only an indicator of voters current
opinions. They have no real significance, although the detail can be
illuminating.
 
The Quinnipiac Univ. poll asked about 75 different questions. Pdf
version here:
 
<https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us05112017_Uqjw42xw.pdf/>
 
This on Trumpcare, "Only 21 percent of American voters approve of the
Republican health care plan passed by the U.S. House of Representatives
last week, a slight improvement over the 17 percent who approved of the
first health care plan in March, according to a Quinnipiac University
national poll released today. Overall, the current health plan goes down
56 – 21 percent."
 
Only Republican voters approve 48-16%, all other listed groups by party,
gender, educational, age and racial group opposes the plan.
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 11 06:13PM +0100

On 11/05/2017 17:00, stephenJ wrote:
 
>> Trump has a 36% approval rating compared to 58% who disapprove of him.
 
> Guess what? Trump is still exercising all the powers of the presidency!
> 😁👍
 
All? Has he pardoned or reprieved anyone yet? I'm sure there are several
other powers as yet unused.
 
 
 
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 11 05:15PM

On Thu, 11 May 2017 17:51:47 +0200, *skriptis wrote:
 
> but he seems to be peaking now again.
 
Fake news!
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 11 05:17PM

On Thu, 11 May 2017 18:13:36 +0100, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
>> 😁👍
 
> All? Has he pardoned or reprieved anyone yet? I'm sure there are several
> other powers as yet unused.
 
You're responding to someone with a minimal understanding of his own
government. He can be safely ignored.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 11 10:07AM -0700

http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/story/maria-sharapova-genie-bouchard-beef-twitter-autobiography-madrid-open-drug-suspension-cheater-ban-051017
 
Insufferable, my life so far... lol
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 11 09:06AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 3:32:51 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> Tune in tomorrow to find out - same bat time, same bat channel.
 
> Did you do the Batman voiceovers?
 
I wish! [like printing money!]
 
:)))
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 05:36PM +0200

> efforts to get South Korea to pay its fair share."
 
> http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-keeps-getting-undermined
 
> Once an Apprentice, always an Apprentice.
 
Trump
worked hard to trick Koreans into paying for neocon
warmongering, and McMaster ruins it.
 
Now Americans will have to pay for imperial missile deployment
nonsense in Korea.
 
Great patriotic move by McMaster. :)
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: May 11 08:52AM -0700

On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 2:38:09 PM UTC-7, Scott wrote:
> I shudder to think what the ATP tour will be like, sans Roger.
 
> It will be one big server against another, both competing with snowshoes.
 
 
I like to watch Stan, when he feels like playing; Kyrgios, ditto; Nadal, when he's
playing either one of them. With Fed gone, who else? Dunno.
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: May 11 06:27AM -0500

On Thu, 11 May 2017 20:38:29 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
| On 11/05/2017 2:02 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
|> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 4:43:07 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
|>> On 10/05/2017 7:44 PM, kaennorsing wrote:
|>>> Op dinsdag 9 mei 2017 23:30:03 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
|>>>> kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com> Wrote in message:
|>>>>> Op dinsdag 9 mei 2017 21:50:54 UTC+2 schreef TT:
|>>>>>> 7.5.2017, 15:24, kaennorsing kirjoitti:
|>>>>>>> As has been discussed here: Fed's #1 goal is winning Wimbledon this year. This could be his last realistic chance at that record-breaking 8th title there. However, in prepping for Wimbledon, Fed would be a fool to not give the FO a good try (given the current state with his rivals and himself). The question then becomes how to maximize his chances for the FO (and possible CYGS) without jeopardizing this year's big Wimbledon opportunity.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> The draws, health and form of his rivals are not under his control so let's put that aside. What he can control are his own form, (mental) health and fitness level from the FO through Wimbledon. The way to direct and optimize his form and preserve his fitness is to take a leave out of what worked so well at the AO. Now, coming in as a big underdog without anything to lose is already guaranteed by not participating in any clay tune-up before the FO starts.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> Secondly, what also worked so well at the AO; Take the ball early and play more aggressively from the return. The team told him: 'nobody is as good as you when taking the ball early, so use that (more) on the return'. Aided by the improved backhand return and drive backhands, he would rush his opponents from the start of the point, not letting a regular/defensive rally occur. This is an area where the SABR comes in handily as a sporadic tactical ploy.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJg6dEQTOs
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> Beyond using the SABR more frequently at the FO he will need a similar tactic to employ on his own service games and to move into net easier and keep points short. The answer is to serve and volley. But... not in the classical sense, where you follow the serve to the net (that he should also use regularly!), but more opportunistically. Meaning position himself well inside the baseline to anticipate the return. I would say move one or two steps further inside the court (after the serve) than he normally would. He can then regularly do a classic serve volley, given his positioning and momentum moving forward. But mostly hold his ground there.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> Alls this will help to take time away, put pressure on opponents and score lots of quick (and spectacular) winners. If the return is effective and threatens to land deep in the court, instead of retreat behind the baseline to start controlling the point go for full out aggression and take the ball out of the air. So in short, serve and volley from the baseline... Can it be done? Yes, I think so. Just watch these;
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCkXzJEoeGQ
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> Honestly, he has little to lose imo. This should help him navigate himself safely through the FO and, if nothing else, prepare himself for an all out assault at Wimbledon 2017... Those plays and subtle tactical (s&v) variations will work wonders there. At the very least be quite a spectacle and... maybe, just maybe... change the way the game will be played in the future.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>> Style of play doesn't matter, Rafa is simply much better.
|>>>>>
|>>>>> No doubt Rafa is the much better clay player, but that's no guarantee for the title. And if Fed would play Rafa at the FO it would be insane to play him the same way he always did there... So my suggestion for the altered serve volley gameplan would actually be even stronger playing Rafa.
|>>>>
|>>>>
|>>>> I see, so you suggest Federer to drive-volley Rafa to death in FO 2017?
|>>>>
|>>>>
|>>>> :)
|>>>
|>>> Well, playing safe or even his regular aggressive game hasn't really worked out for him vs Rafa at the FO, has it? Also given his age I'd like to see him mix in more (opportunistic) serve volleys, half-volleys and drive volleys on his serve and look to keep points short in general. Completely forget about the baseline grind and go all or nothing. If he can serve volley about 30-50% of points I'd be more than happy and actually think he has a good chance if he makes it to the tail end of the FO... Big if, I know.
|>>>
|>>
|>>
|>> I would love to see Fed beating Rafa in FO final. But realistically
|>> let's not forget Rafa led 3-1 in 5th in AO final & had a few good
|>> chances to seal that match.
|>>
|>> Maybe if Rafa has the worst day of his life & Fed goes for the lines it
|>> may happen?
|>
|> Rafa would just/normally mug Federer at Roland Garros... that much hasn't changed in men's tennis... :)
|>
|> P
|>
|>
|
|
| There seems to be more hope for Fed this time. Logically it doesn't
| make much sense on paper, but it's still sports at the end of the day &
| Rafa is human. Love to see a final between them & Fed scaring him,
| perhaps leading 2 sets to 0 even? Imagine the look on Rafa's face in
| that scenario?
|
|
 
Yes...that would be funny, even better if Fed won the match...
 
FF
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 10:15PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 9:27 PM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
> |
 
> Yes...that would be funny, even better if Fed won the match...
 
> FF
 
It really would be something to see Rafa mentally cowered by Fed for a
change, & at FO of all places.
 
: )
 
 
 
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