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Tuesday, May 16, 2017

soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 16 05:29AM -0700

Elder one is Prisha (girl) and younger one is Rishan (boy)
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 16 10:31PM +1000

On 16/05/2017 1:36 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Congrats Raj, glad to hear happy news but don't do it again ( I believe you have two).
> Unfortunately my dad passed away a week ago, and it has been really tough experience and very difficult time.
 
Sorry to hear that. Lost my dad coming up to 2 yrs. I still feel like
he's around in some ways, & probably haven't fully come to terms with it.
 
The toughest day for me was the day of his death. Felt like the world
had shrunk, the realization that he was gone for good, never get to talk
to him again. Never felt more claustrophobic. Finality of death is
confronting.
 
But, it does get easier. Just take it day at a time. Happens to all of
us at some point.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 16 10:31PM +1000

On 16/05/2017 3:11 AM, stephenJ wrote:
>> My wife and I had a baby boy yesterday. Both mom and son are doing well.
 
> Are you sure you're the father?
 
> Just kidding, congratulations! :)
 
I was going to ask how the father was doing etc, but let it pass.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:03AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 10:54:41 PM UTC-4, soccerfan777 wrote:
> Rasping Drive what is 6-8relationship? Is that good news or bad news
 
Everything is for the best :) Google it!
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:05AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Congrats Raj, glad to hear happy news but don't do it again ( I believe you have two).
> Unfortunately my dad passed away a week ago, and it has been really tough experience and very difficult time.
 
Sorry to hear about that, PWL.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: May 16 04:24PM +0200


Thanks Whisper, I wouldn't be able to describe the way I feel
better than your words.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: May 16 04:24PM +0200

>> Congrats Raj, glad to hear happy news but don't do it again ( I believe you have two).
>> Unfortunately my dad passed away a week ago, and it has been really tough experience and very difficult time.
 
> Sorry to hear about that, PWL.
 
Thanks RaspingDrive.
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RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 08:00AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:24:38 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> > Sorry to hear about that, PWL.
 
> Thanks RaspingDrive.
> --
 
My father was running 77 when he passed away suddenly.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 16 05:19AM -0700

Nadal always turned up if Djoker was playing, it's really poor sportsmanship that Fed is not playing the FO just to avoid Nadal.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 16 05:21AM -0700

He's scared to play Nadal in his current form, which is a real shame, it's not like Nadal is even near peak.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 16 10:22PM +1000

On 16/05/2017 9:23 PM, Fota wrote:
>>> :(
 
>> Don't see why this is shocking. Clay tennis is too grindy and not suited for his attacking game. Unless he needs the ranking points, he'll continue to skip this part of the year. If his tennis gets to the point that he needs ranking points from clay that badly, time to walk away.
 
> It's shocking to me to see someone give up a chance for a CYGS for no reason. Probably Fed's last chance. He probably figured the odds were too great, but why not give it a shot anyway?
 
Exactly. If he does somehow win Wim/USO it could go down as the dumbest
decision ever by a great champion. No injury, just decided to pull out.
 
He may think he's zoned into the faster court style & doesn't want to
jeopardize changing his current game with the rest of the off-clay
season, but really what's the harm in going in & just playing the same
game on clay? If he loses early he just gets more time to practice on
grass.
 
Hope he changes his mind & gets a wildcard.
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: May 16 07:01AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 8:23:01 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
> game on clay? If he loses early he just gets more time to practice on
> grass.
 
> Hope he changes his mind & gets a wildcard.
 
Yes, even if he loses first week, should be good practice playing best of five sets!
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 16 04:23PM +0200

> 2016 due to 'cowardice' (to borrow from TT) gives me the feeling he could
> skip it again to 'protect his h2h' vs Fed and 'not give him a mental edge'
> with another loss to Fed on the grass! :-)
 
Brown not Young.
 
I know Donald Young is brown and Dustin Brown is not young so it's
confusing.
 
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 16 07:32AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 7:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Brown not Young.
 
> I know Donald Young is brown and Dustin Brown is not young so it's
> confusing.
 
:)
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 07:55AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:30:03 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Brown not Young.
 
> I know Donald Young is brown and Dustin Brown is not young so it's
> confusing.
 
Well done, Skriptis. You are good :)
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: May 16 07:55AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 2:13:20 AM UTC-4, ahonkan wrote:
> 2016 due to 'cowardice' (to borrow from TT) gives me the feeling he could
> skip it again to 'protect his h2h' vs Fed and 'not give him a mental edge'
> with another loss to Fed on the grass! :-)
 
One wouldn't think that he would go very far at Wimbledon given his results there the past few years but it's a new year and who knows with Nadal? Is his current mindset to put all his energy into winning #10 and then take his foot off the gas a bit or will he try to go all out to win off clay slams as well at this point and will he succeed or are there too many other players who can stop him off clay?
 
We have to keep in mind he made the final of the AO 2017 and that was on a faster hc. His backhand is also a big weapon these days and he's trying to play more aggressively. His serve has improved too. These are all things which may translate well off clay. People are talking a lot about Federer's improved backhand but Nadal's has improved a lot too.
 
Nadal is like one of those monsters you see in a horror film. You think he's finally dead and he keeps coming back to life.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 16 05:24PM +0300

Watch a (relatively) modern groundstroker demolish a volley. Does
playing a S&V guy make the groundstroker's life harder than facing
another groundstroker? Well, ... I dunno.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVIhEGJnTVc#t=9m54s
 
A real fast serve, a fast return, a fast volley into the middle. Yep,
you guessed it, fast play. None of it particularly well placed, but
that's how fast play often goes.
 
What is Agassi working with when he faces the volley?
 
A decent volley, placed to eliminate the angles, length could be better,
but if it was, the percentages of making it would be less (IOW if my
aunt had Wilanders, she wouldn't be my aunt).
 
What is the netman facing when Agassi is preparing to hit the pass?
 
He has a relatively good potition. Lateral angles covered as well as
they can be expected to be covered.
 
What does Agassi do?
 
He has disguise going for him, the netguy has no idea where the ball
will go. Agassi is also the one with the last say. If the netguy tosses
a coin and commits, he'll have to do it before Agassi pulls the trigger.
And he'll lose.
 
Agassi doesn't really hit the ball hard. Or even accurately. He merely
steps forward to take the ball as early as possible.
 
Add 1+1 and the result is that the ball is past the netguy before he has
time to bat his eyelids.
 
For Agassi, this is the easiest of shots. No risks, a nice target
halfway down the court. He'll make the pass 99/100.
 
What does the S&Ver say to himself after the point?
 
Gotta try it again. Maybe with better luck. Gotta keep at it. Let's go!
 
What do the stats say?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBuQeAYJ_Ag#t=5m23s
 
Ouch!
 
The Verdict?
 
"Sonny, don't play like I do".
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 16 05:39PM +0300

On 16.5.2017 17:24, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> What is the netman facing when Agassi is preparing to hit the pass?
 
> He has a relatively good potition. Lateral angles covered as well as
> they can be expected to be covered.
 
Make that horisontal.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 16 05:40PM +0300

On 16.5.2017 17:39, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
>> He has a relatively good potition. Lateral angles covered as well as
>> they can be expected to be covered.
 
> Make that horisontal.
 
Then again, make it horizontal. No typo traps.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 16 10:25PM +1000

On 16/05/2017 11:33 AM, Carey wrote:
> He's done nothing lately, but that doesn't mean he won't show up in blistering form at the French...
 
> I hope so. It'd be great to see him take out Humbalito there, and in top form he could well do that.
 
Can't see Stan hurting Rafa much in this form.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:53AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:20:29 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
 
> > Good points, but had Stan ever beaten Nada before brutally taking him out in the AO final?
 
> You guys have tendency to ignore the fact that he got injured, even Stan
> had noticed it during warmup and said so afterwards.
 
The gracious fellow Stan is what did you expect?

> much better Rafa is than Federer... this sort of career despite getting
> injured all the time. Also you know that Fed wouldn't have won as much
> with a healthy Rafa.
 
Granted Rafa is better than Federer. However, Rafa has to first overcome the Rosols/Fogninis of this world to take Fed out. Injury has nothing to do with that.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:21AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 8:07:55 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> If you know you're running around in circles & know how a discussion
> will end, nothing wrong with cutting it off & moving on with something
> more interesting.
 
Nothing wrong if you move on saying you disagree. StephenJ's strategy is different, well explained by Gracchus. Not that I need to explain this to you, since I am sure you have read that post of Gracchus ('Another prime example' post). Your willful ignorance of SJ's seemingly willful obduracy in wanting to end arguments on his own terms is amusing.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:36AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:28:51 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
 
> > No disrespect to you. The finality with which you dismiss things that appear incorrect/inappropriate to you is disturbing. There are several others who may not share your view. Let them be.
 
> You've nailed it. He easily dismisses things he deems inappropriate to discuss and then rambles on endlessly about "important" things such as Mirka's appearance or Larry Ellison's gf. I go on about these mindless things too but at least I can admit they're silly and shallow.
 
> He also can never admit when he's lost an argument like his buddy Whisper. That whole thread about Wawrinka being the absolute favorite vs Fed at the AO when Fed has never lost to Wawrinka on hc was absurd and comical.
 
A+
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:38AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:58:40 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > You've nailed it. He easily dismisses things he deems inappropriate to discuss and then rambles on endlessly about "important" things such as Mirka's appearance or Larry Ellison's gf. I go on about these mindless things too but at least I can admit they're silly and shallow.
 
> > He also can never admit when he's lost an argument like his buddy Whisper. That whole thread about Wawrinka being the absolute favorite vs Fed at the AO when Fed has never lost to Wawrinka on hc was absurd and comical.
 
> Another prime example was his argument with jdeluise the other day about the Republican health care legislation. JD obviously was in the right, but Stevie couldn't swallow that and shot back an endless string of infantile "I know you are but what am I?" type retorts, as if merely having the last word would somehow make him right in the end. No wonder he and Whisp are simpatico since they share a number of the same deep character flaws.
 
A+ Always enjoy reading your marvelous posts. Man, you can put forth points mighty pithily.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: May 16 06:32AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:01:03 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > Obviously AO 2017 :)
 
> I rest my case. :)
> --
 
This particular case of yours was always right. Only when you use it to denigrate the greatness of someone with record number of slams it becomes particularly nauseating :) Let him enjoy the occasional WoO benevolence that luck accords him, same as with others.
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