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Monday, May 22, 2017

Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 22 06:30PM +0100

On 21/05/2017 18:42, Jason White wrote:
 
> 0% British, 100% Scottish. He voted for Scottish Independence.
 
He wasn't eligible to vote - he doesn't live in Scotland.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 04:25PM +0200


>> at the very least his grandfather was likely a supporter of "uncle
>> joe" as gracchus likes to call him, no? :-)
 
> Would he have had a choice?
 
 
Do you have a choice of having unelected head of state for the
past 60 years?
 
 
Stalin was at least elected by his party members. Something like
election in USA depending on party superdelegates only.

 
His brutality might be questioned, but as a head of state he had
more democratic legitimacy than your queen.
 
Tough to accept?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 04:28PM +0200


> And Sampras is Greek.
 
 
Our prime minister suffers from the same anemia as Sampras,
typical for the Mediterranean people.
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 04:41PM +0200

> he supported her pro bono with only payment being some potential
> future winnings (when at 7 nobody has any inkling of this
> "potential").
.
 
 
Ok, you feel being 7 is too little to have identity of her own. I
get it. And I agree that for a non patriotic person she'd be more
likely to choose USA as it would be natural, having lived there.

However 7 is not that young, and she's obviously very patriotic,
probably feeling she's only there to succeed in tennis.
Regardless of that being her decision or her father taught her
that. Overall I don't find it unusual and I admire her loyalty.

Not very common in females btw.
 
Bollitieri made a business decision of taking her and it worked
for him and her. It's not that America gifted her anything. And
if it was all just about the money, she's still smart for not
closing the door in Russia, right?
 
There are worse examples. Just ask whisper how many Australian
Croats were born in Australia and opted to play for Croatia?
Football, ie soccer.
 
Or a guy that plays for FC Barcelona and a Croatian team. World
class kinda, Rakitic, born in Switzerland, went to school,
trained there but never considered playing for them.

 
Imagine if Sharapova was born in America. How pissed off would you
been then? :)
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 04:47PM +0200


> You can take the boy out of Russia.....
 
 
I don't get Russian vibe from him to be honest.
 
Would he smack himself with a racquet like Youzhny? Does he like
to suffer?
 
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 08:13AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 6:01:03 AM UTC-5, *skriptis wrote:
> playing tennis.
 
> She's not someone who liked America and wanted to become an
> American.
 
You are a hypocrite. You have been anti globalism for quite a while now. And yet you support immigration when it comes to Sharapova. Well turns out many of us immigrants also have dreams like Sharapova does and emigrate to fulfill it.
 
>Call her opportunist, but she's not evil because of it.
> She paid a lot of money to Bollitieri, made his academy even more
> famous, etc, she doesn't owe anyone there, anything I think.
 
And thats what most imigrants do (the legal ones at least). They contribute greatly to the economy or at least the company they work for or the university they study in.
 
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 08:14AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:21:43 AM UTC-5, bob wrote:
> > language you've learnt, mind allegiance, and in Sharapova case
> > all 3 seem to point out she's Russian.
 
> fair enough. what is your cutoff age then?
 
I would say once you go to 1st grade, you intelligent enough to know the world around you a little bit. Do you even remember stuff from when you were 2? If you are at an age when you can remember stuff, it should count. Sharapova clearly has memories of her childhood in Russia.
 
 
since it's less than 7
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 22 04:28PM +0100

On 22/05/2017 15:25, *skriptis wrote:
 
> His brutality might be questioned, but as a head of state he had
> more democratic legitimacy than your queen.
 
> Tough to accept?
 
"Your caparisons are odious"
 
England's monarchs have been 'heads of state' since around 927, so
nearing 1100 years. There was a short hiatus from 1649-1660. As you
may know, since 1688 the monarch has had little direct power with
the government elected by the people a constitutional monarchy.
 
It's a system that works for the UK, though not everyone thinks so.
 
I may be wrong, but I thought that Lenin 'appointed Stalin as
General Secretary', a decision that may have been endorsed by the
party up to 1934, when the position had ceased to have much meaning.
 
Wiki: "In 1922, the office of General Secretary followed as a purely
administrative and disciplinary position, whose role was to do no more
than determine party membership composition. Stalin, its first
incumbent, used the principles of democratic centralism to transform his
office into that of party leader, and later leader of the Soviet Union."
 
There were elections in the Soviet Union during Stalin's tenure, but it
was a one-party state with no opposition permitted.
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 05:43PM +0200


>> She's not someone who liked America and wanted to become an
>> American.
 
> You are a hypocrite. You have been anti globalism for quite a while now. And yet you support immigration when it comes to Sharapova. Well turns out many of us immigrants also have dreams like Sharapova does and emigrate to fulfill it.
 
 
I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not supporting Sharapova. She does what's
best for her, it's basic survival, even animal instinct every
living creature has. It's up to the US to accept her or not. I
never blame migrants you fool.
 
But you see what happens with migration? Bob is pissed off with
her and probably million of Americans for just saying couple of
things. In the grand scheme of things one tennis career happening
or not is irrelevant.
You have cute (earlier) blonde girl and look how many negaties?
Imagine the negatives with someone who would be really "bad"?
 
 
Besides, I'm not telling anyone what to do. It's just that I think
eg Japan with very strict quotas and hardly welcoming any
migrants is a far more reasonable country than Sweden, who are
virtually insane.
 
In the end, it's up to the people of every country to decide. I
have my preference which model I think is better, and more
sustainable.
 
The thing is, since America is so important, they set the rules of
the game for rest of the world, which model would be more
prevalent. So what happens in America is kinda important for
everyone. But I never talk about what should happen with America.
It's their own thing.
 
Wanna asteroid test? How would you like millions of Chinese and
Arabs coming to your ancestral region in India?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
>> She paid a lot of money to Bollitieri, made his academy even more
>> famous, etc, she doesn't owe anyone there, anything I think.
 
> And thats what most imigrants do (the legal ones at least). They contribute greatly to the economy or at least the company they work for or the university they study in.
 
 
Of course there are some positives. But there are positives in
being 90 years old too. You're wise, seen so much etc.
;)
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 05:52PM +0200

> office into that of party leader, and later leader of the Soviet Union."
 
> There were elections in the Soviet Union during Stalin's tenure, but it
> was a one-party state with no opposition permitted.
 
 
Never said it's ideal or even good, but he was elected by his
version of "superdelegates".
 
Otoh Queen is totally unelected.
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 09:24AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 11:01:02 AM UTC-5, *skriptis wrote:
> eg Japan with very strict quotas and hardly welcoming any
> migrants is a far more reasonable country than Sweden, who are
> virtually insane.
 
Nothing insane when your population density is only 22 people per km square compared to Japan which is 336 people km square.
 
Sweden needs more people. So do Canada, Norway and all the sparsely populated Northern countries.
 
I am sure countries like Bangladesh, India, Japan and China do not want more immigrants. They have valid reason! But perfectly sane for Sweden to get more immigrants.
 
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 22 06:24PM +0100

On 22/05/2017 16:52, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Never said it's ideal or even good, but he was elected by his
> version of "superdelegates".
 
Who stood against him? Who elected the electors?
 
> Otoh Queen is totally unelected.
 
That's generally the way with Kings/Queens.
 
If Stalin had been the equivalent of a constitutional monarch the
comparison might be of some interest.
 
The lowly comrades didn't have any choice, Stalin was a dictator,
and he wasn't benign.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 07:26PM +0200

>> virtually insane.
 
> Nothing insane when your population density is only 22 people per km square compared to Japan which is 336 people km square.
 
> Sweden needs more people. So do Canada, Norway and all the sparsely populated Northern countries.
 
 
Why would they need more people? They were doing just fine, having
Borg, abba, Edberg, creating prosperous and democratic society
for themselves. Were they missing something?
 
Northern countries can't accommodate that much people anyway as do
countries in better climate can.
 
But even if they needed more people why would they needed aliens?
Their state could and should support higher birth rates of their
own population in that case. Not a nuclear science.

 
 
 
> I am sure countries like Bangladesh, India, Japan and China do not want more immigrants. They have valid reason! But perfectly sane for Sweden to get more immigrants.
 
 
So rest of the world have to live like sardines as well, in their
own countries, being mixed with foreigners from those countries
that don't know how to use condoms?
 
I find that aggressive, and consider it a declaration of war on my
country, other European countries and our societies.

 
 
Your attempt/desire to swamp us, dilute our national culture and
displace us biologically, is not a bit different from various
historical invasions and conquests that have been constant in
world history.
 
We recognize it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 07:26PM +0200

>> virtually insane.
 
> Nothing insane when your population density is only 22 people per km square compared to Japan which is 336 people km square.
 
> Sweden needs more people. So do Canada, Norway and all the sparsely populated Northern countries.
 
 
Why would they need more people? They were doing just fine, having
Borg, abba, Edberg, creating prosperous and democratic society
for themselves. Were they missing something?
 
Northern countries can't accommodate that much people anyway as do
countries in better climate can.
 
But even if they needed more people why would they needed aliens?
Their state could and should support higher birth rates of their
own population in that case. Not a nuclear science.

 
 
 
> I am sure countries like Bangladesh, India, Japan and China do not want more immigrants. They have valid reason! But perfectly sane for Sweden to get more immigrants.
 
 
So rest of the world have to live like sardines as well, in their
own countries, being mixed with foreigners from those countries
that don't know how to use condoms?
 
I find that aggressive, and consider it a declaration of war on my
country, other European countries and our societies.

 
 
Your attempt/desire to swamp us, dilute our national culture and
displace us biologically, is not a bit different from various
historical invasions and conquests that have been constant in
world history.
 
We recognize it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 07:28PM +0200

> comparison might be of some interest.
 
> The lowly comrades didn't have any choice, Stalin was a dictator,
> and he wasn't benign.
 
 
 
I like to point out to unpleasant facts.
 
He was elected, Queen isn't.
 
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 08:40AM -0700

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1405030-top-10-evil-dictators
 
10. Genghis Khan
9. Idi Amin
8. Shaka Zulu
7. Vlad the Impaler
6. Pol Pot
5.Kim Il Sung
4.Saddam Hussein
3. Adolf Hitler
2. Josef Stalin
1. Mao Tse-Tung
 
 
Suprisingly most of them from the last 100 years!!! And I thought we are becoming more and more civilized.
 
Was Lenin not as bad as Stalin? He did not make the list.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 05:51PM +0200

> 1. Mao Tse-Tung
 
> Suprisingly most of them from the last 100 years!!! And I thought we are becoming more and more civilized.
 
> Was Lenin not as bad as Stalin? He did not make the list.
 
 
Lenin was Palpatine and Stalin was Darth Vader, a tragic and cool
figure who's done much harm but eventually has redeemed himself.
It's really that simple.
 
 
Having Vlad the impaler there is really disgusting from you. He's
a Romanian William Wallace. With the difference English not being
5% as bad as bloodthirsty jihadi Turks.
Shame on you.
 
Very insulting to people from the Balkans, Romanians, Greeks,
Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, and everyone who were bleeding for
centuries during ottoman Turkish occupation.
 
At least Vlad showed them for a brief period.
 
 
 
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 09:16AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 11:01:02 AM UTC-5, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > Suprisingly most of them from the last 100 years!!! And I thought we are becoming more and more civilized.
 
> > Was Lenin not as bad as Stalin? He did not make the list.
 
> Lenin was Palpatine and Stalin was Darth Vader,
 
Can you explain this without being a geek. I hate Star Wars and have hence no idea WTF are you talking about.
 
> a tragic and cool
> figure who's done much harm but eventually has redeemed himself.
 
How can you redeem yourself when you have killed millions of people?
 
> Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, and everyone who were bleeding for
> centuries during ottoman Turkish occupation.
 
> At least Vlad showed them for a brief period.
 
Vlad the Impaler seems like a real scumbag who is on multiple lists. I knew you would support him.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 22 07:07PM +0200


>> > Was Lenin not as bad as Stalin? He did not make the list.
 
>> Lenin was Palpatine and Stalin was Darth Vader,
 
> Can you explain this without being a geek. I hate Star Wars and have hence no idea WTF are you talking about.
 
It's easier for you to watch star wars.
 
 
 
 
>> a tragic and cool
>> figure who's done much harm but eventually has redeemed himself.
 
> How can you redeem yourself when you have killed millions of people?
 
It's a philosophical mystery. Yes, puzzling.
Btw he has killed far less.. And didn't kill babies, kids like
Hitler or Truman.
 
 
 
 
>> centuries during ottoman Turkish occupation.
 
>> At least Vlad showed them for a brief period.
 
> Vlad the Impaler seems like a real scumbag who is on multiple lists. I knew you would support him.
 
 
 
Would you say that e.g. some African warlord who crushed and
murdered slave traders who were kidnapping his people and selling
as slaves them is a bad guy?
 
Sure, in your John Lennon brainwashed brain he could be. Sick.
 
 
 
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 22 07:41AM -0700

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 9:05:01 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > > > By calling somebody a dog?
 
> > > Among other things. IMO it's not the labels that count as much as the estimation of the person's worth.
 
> > It has nothing to do with their worth at all since I don't know them. It's only about their outward attractiveness.
 
My GOD that was a fun post to read... both Courty and G-Man... Just sayin'...
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 22 07:42AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 5:35:20 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> i went there once, and i'll be damned, a guy who was a dead ringer for
> osama bin laden cut my hair. :-(
 
> bob
 
:))))))))))))))))))))
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 08:25AM -0700

On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 2:06:31 PM UTC-5, Court_1 wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 11:31:59 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> > Men aren't looking for an 'equal partner' setup in marriage.
 
> This statement is ridiculous and inaccurate. You should be ashamed of yourself!
 
Yes, most well-educated men want a wife, not a maid. Whisper is happy with his maid it seems.
 
> I don't know about the men you know and consort with
I am sure he is friends with Billy Bush types.
 
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 08:28AM -0700

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 11:05:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > > > By calling somebody a dog?
 
> > > Among other things. IMO it's not the labels that count as much as the estimation of the person's worth.
 
> > It has nothing to do with their worth at all since I don't know them. It's only about their outward attractiveness.
 
Interesting conversation... Can't believe she thinks Paul McCartney is ugly. There are millions of women who find him adorable. Also the same with John Lennon... the other two losers however... ;-)
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 22 08:07AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:10:20 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 5:57:16 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
> > She says she won't ask for a wild card.
 
> Probably a good decision. If both the FO and Wimbledon rejected her request back-to-back, it would be crystal clear that she isn't welcome anywhere anymore.
 
Its not the question of whether she is welcome. It is a question of ethics. Do you give wildcard to someone who has been punished recently (doesn't matter if it is unfair). I do not like what French Federation did, but I respect their decision.
 
Sharapova should have played challengers and worked her way up the rankings. She wasn't ethical enough to do that and I blame her for this fiasco.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 22 07:31AM -0700

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 4:10:55 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
> Also Kyrgios won't ever beat Murray.
> Goffin isn't he a bit too small Lol
> You guys do you watch any tennis ever?
 
This is a list AFTER the Big 4 are either gone or fading fast... Silly moi, thought that was obvious... anyway... How Nole reboots will affect their prospects in a big way... but, 2020, that's the time frame for the list, sort of...
 
Raonic and Dimitrov seem sort of interchangeable, with respect to potential... with the caveat that Milos has progressed a bit further... Milos without his injury proclivity could well be #3... should be... but, sadly he's really hampered... I think Milos might well get a major at the either W or USO, so, as I wrote above, he could be #4...
 
Not sure about Coric, but, he seems a one surface type guy... but he's so young, he's still deep into his development phase... and Tiafoe is an ATP baby, so, no one knows...
 
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