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Tuesday, May 23, 2017

BK@Onramp.net: May 23 09:59AM -0500

On Tue, 23 May 2017 03:07:51 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
 
>I never moved the goal post. As was posted previously, the recent
> rise in the market was due to confidence in Trump's ability to
> grow the economy.
 
To what do you attribute the big fall lately? Must be Trump since it
all depends on him.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 23 09:21AM -0700

On 2017-05-23 1:07 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
> I never moved the goal post. As was posted previously, the recent
> rise in the market was due to confidence in Trump's ability to
> grow the economy.
 
1. Yes, you did move the goalposts: from the strength of the US dollar
abroad to the stock market, and then from the stock market to GDP.
 
2. If growth of the stock market indicates confidence in Trump, then why
doesn't it indicated confidence in Obama for nearly 8 years running?
BK@Onramp.net: May 23 12:23PM -0500

On Tue, 23 May 2017 11:18:53 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>> all depends on him.
 
>It was the fake news Comey note about Trump. The market has since
> recovered as I posted yesterday.
You're a real kook. There hasn't been anything that has put Trump in
a poor position that you haven't made excuses for. Either "fake
news", liberal lies, or just plain denial. These actions appear to
place Donald Trump as a semi-god to you. Face it, the man has faults.
More than most, specifically in truth. That seems to elude him and
you accept it. It doesn't speak well of your conception of right and
wrong.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 23 07:12AM -0700

- show quoted text -
That's really fascinating, Mike, it truly is. IIRC nearly half of Trump voters thought Pizzagate was real. Where do you stand on this important issue?
 
Cite that please.
BK@Onramp.net: May 23 09:57AM -0500

On Tue, 23 May 2017 03:04:07 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
 
>> That's really fascinating, Mike, it truly is. IIRC nearly half of Trump voters thought Pizzagate was real. Where do you stand on this important issue?
 
>I don't know anyone who heard of Pizzagate until someone showed up
> with a gun. Your far left sources fail you again.
 
The world doesn't revolve around you and who you know. Widen it and
learn something.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 23 11:04AM -0400

On 05/23/2017 10:12 AM, Dene wrote:
 
> That's really fascinating, Mike, it truly is. IIRC nearly half of Trump voters thought Pizzagate was real. Where do you stand on this important issue?
 
> Cite that please.
 
 
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden/
BK@Onramp.net: May 23 10:28AM -0500

On Tue, 23 May 2017 11:04:45 -0400, Carbon
 
>> That's really fascinating, Mike, it truly is. IIRC nearly half of Trump voters thought Pizzagate was real. Where do you stand on this important issue?
 
>> Cite that please.
 
>https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden/
 
Those numbers are unreal. How could anyone, let alone a minimum of
25% of voters believe that millions of fraudulent votes were cast in
2016? Well, Trump did.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 23 09:29AM -0700

On 2017-05-23 9:14 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> 25% of voters believe that millions of fraudulent votes were cast in
>> 2016? Well, Trump did.
 
> It is obvious the poll is a fraud.
 
It's obvious you call every fact you disagree with a fraud, you mean.
 
 
> The yes and no votes equal 100%. What happened to the people who
> weren't sure or never heard of the conspiracy?
 
Except that the moment the pollster tells them of the alleged
"conspiracy", they DO know about it.
 
The smart ones immediately say, "no" at that point.
 
Then of course, there's the fact that one can view the actual poll and
see that it was a bit more nuanced in its allowable responses...
 
<https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ljv2ohxmzj/econTabReport.pdf>
 
...and if you do that (which you probably won't), you'll see that it
allowed four answers: definitely true, probably true, probably not true,
definitely not true.
 
 
> This is fluff for the dimwitted.
 
So would everything you encounter seem to you, I'm sure...
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: May 23 11:38AM -0500

Moderate wrote:
 
> The yes and no votes equal 100%. What happened to the people who
> weren't sure or never heard of the conspiracy?
 
> This is fluff for the dimwitted.
 
Remember who posted it.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 23 09:42AM -0700

On 2017-05-23 9:38 AM, MNMikeW wrote:
>> weren't sure or never heard of the conspiracy?
 
>> This is fluff for the dimwitted.
 
> Remember who posted it.
 
Because whether or not something is factual changes depending on who
posted it, Mikey?
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 23 12:48PM -0400

On 05/23/2017 12:38 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
>> weren't sure or never heard of the conspiracy?
 
>> This is fluff for the dimwitted.
 
> Remember who posted it.

You never did say if you thought Pizzagate was real. Should we interpret your cowardly silence as a yes?
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 23 12:55PM -0400

On 05/23/2017 12:42 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
 
>> Remember who posted it.
 
> Because whether or not something is factual changes depending on who
> posted it, Mikey?

These fools will believe anything that supports their biases, no matter how unsubstantiated. For example, Pizzagate. An actual poll showing that nearly half of Trump voters believed it was real. In fact I would not be surprised if both of these morons here believed it as well.
 
Of course, they would be too cowardly to admit it now.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 23 10:19AM -0700

On 2017-05-23 10:17 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> Remember who posted it.
 
> I was mistaken. One of the polls had a total of 101%. People who
> pedal fake news aren't very bright.
 
As if a typo makes everything "fake"...
 
"Welcome to Trumpton" <trumpton@maiIsorter.co.uk>: May 23 08:40AM

Dene wrote:
 
> > > > > ...when your leader tells the Israelis...
 
> > > > > ...(in Israel, mind!)...
 
> > > > > ...that he "got back from the middle east"?
 
<http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/22/trump_to_israelis_we_just_got_back_from_the_middle_east.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top>
 
> Since you are so full of....knowledge...explain why a Canadian is so
> interested in American left wing politics.
 
> Hint...there is a one word answer. Starts with a T.
 
Only now does it bother you?
 
I'm 5000 miles away and find the Trump phenomena fascinating.
 
Trumpets may be insular, devoid of any comprehension of the world but
don't for one minute think the world isn't looking at you in awe... of
your ineptness, your selfish inward looking support for short termist
policies which may have long term consequnces, your pretence at
nationalism, your false patriotism, your head in the sand view of
politics, corruption and incompetence.
 
You have enabled Trump to go from a joke than no-one took seriously to
a joke than no-one can afford not to take seriously.
 
NB why do you only question his interest in left wing politics when he
clearly posts mainly about right wing politics?
 
--
Most people believe there is truth and there are lies. "Alternative
facts" are lies.
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 23 07:35AM -0500

Losers still don't get it.
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dnc-reports-worst-april-of-fundr
aising-since-2009/article/2623837?platform=hootsuite
 
 
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 23 11:14AM -0500


> Those numbers are unreal. How could anyone, let alone a minimum of
> 25% of voters believe that millions of fraudulent votes were cast in
> 2016? Well, Trump did.
 
It is obvious the poll is a fraud.
 
The yes and no votes equal 100%. What happened to the people who
weren't sure or never heard of the conspiracy?
 
This is fluff for the dimwitted.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 23 11:18AM -0500

>> grow the economy.
 
> To what do you attribute the big fall lately? Must be Trump since it
> all depends on him.
 
It was the fake news Comey note about Trump. The market has since
recovered as I posted yesterday.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 23 12:17PM -0500

>> weren't sure or never heard of the conspiracy?
 
>> This is fluff for the dimwitted.
 
> Remember who posted it.
 
I was mistaken. One of the polls had a total of 101%. People who
pedal fake news aren't very bright.
 
Bwaahaahaa.
--
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 23 09:55AM -0700

'Brennan, testifying to the House of Representatives Intelligence
Committee, said it became clear last summer that Russia was trying to
interfere in the presidential election, and that he warned the head of
Russia's FSB security service that such interference would hurt U.S. ties.
 
"It should be clear to everyone Russia brazenly interfered in our 2016
presidential election process and that they undertook these activities
despite our strong protests and explicit warning that they do not do
so," Brennan said.
 
Republican Representative Trey Gowdy asked Brennan, "Did you see
evidence of collusion, coordination and conspiracy between Donald Trump
and Russian state actors?"
 
"I saw information and intelligence that was worthy of investigation by
the bureau (FBI) to determine whether or not such cooperation or
collusion was taking place," Brennan replied. "I encountered and am
aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and
interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the
Trump campaign," he added.'
 
<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN18J2DE>
 
Just to remind you wingnuts, this is not some outsider testifying about
things he may have heard in passing.
 
This is the guy who was in charge of the CIA AT THE TIME OF THE
ELECTION, and he says:
 
"I saw information and intelligence that was worthy of investigation by
the bureau (FBI) to determine whether or not such cooperation or
collusion was taking place," Brennan replied. "I encountered and am
aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and
interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the
Trump campaign,"
 
Laugh that off, wingnuts.
 
Can you call that "fake news"?
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: May 23 04:33AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 1:46:59 AM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
 
> Since you are so full of....knowledge...explain why a Canadian is so
> interested in American left wing politics.
 
> Hint...there is a one word answer. Starts with a T.
 
 
Well, "Worldly" doesn't start with a T.
 
And "Thirst for Knowledge" isn't but a single word.
 
 
But since this subthread is about low educational performance,
one with a limited vocabulary would be alluding to the 'T' word
of "Taught" as a synonym for being better educated.
 
 
 
-hh
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: May 23 08:44AM -0500

Moderate wrote:
>> interested in American left wing politics.
 
>> Hint...there is a one word answer. Starts with a T.
 
> I think it starts with an H.
 
I think it starts with Asshole.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 23 07:11AM -0700

Well, "Worldly" doesn't start with a T.
 
And "Thirst for Knowledge" isn't but a single word.
 
 
But since this subthread is about low educational performance,
one with a limited vocabulary would be alluding to the 'T' word
of "Taught" as a synonym for being better educated.
 
He's a troll you blathering idiot. He doesn't give a rat's ass about American politics. He cares only about the argument and with moderate responding to him, he gets plenty of ammunition. Most everybody else has figured out his stupid game. Dare to disagree with him sometime and get back to us.
 
Bye.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: May 23 08:36AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 10:11:26 AM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
> > one with a limited vocabulary would be alluding to the 'T' word
> > of "Taught" as a synonym for being better educated.
 
> He's a troll you blathering idiot.
 
Idiot? Seems that you're the one who has forgotten that you've
made that same **claim** previously, and when you were directly
challenged on it, you failed to back it up.
 
Case in point, from 20 May (yes, a mere three days ago):
 
"So you're making a claim that Alan is a troll? Upon just
what specific basis? Can you actually prove your claim?
Cite please."
 
 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/PtzrSJW4mIo/MMy3d1LgBQAJ>
 
 
> He doesn't give a rat's ass about American politics.
 
Really? Or is it that you're tired of having your positions
beaten to hell, so you're conducting a lame "Shoot the Messenger"
Ad Hominem attack ... again?
 
FYI, I don't know how many people outside of the USA you
personally know and/or work with, but I've found that many,
if not most of them, are quite aware .. and interested .. in
the USA, and of late, of US Politics.
 
I was just out of the country last week and had a guy I've
known for 20+ years greet me, followed up by some hand-waving
and "What the hell's going on in the USA?".
 
> to him, he gets plenty of ammunition. Most everybody else has
> figured out his stupid game. Dare to disagree with him sometime
> and get back to us.
 
Oh, but on occasion, I *have* had disagreements with Alan.
It wasn't the end of the world, because we were able to come
to an understanding. That's what happens when both parties
have the strength of character to actually listen to the merits
of the other party, rather than to simply try to deny and ignore,
and be open to amending one's positions on topics.
 

> Bye.
 
"Bye"? Now here's YA example of how you're demonstrating
your intolerance and unwillingness to reassessing your own
positions, which results in you being stuck in untenable
postures from which you end up being a sore loser and quitter.
 
Hint: if you want to make a winning argument, you need to
have a winning logic & rationale to support your positions.
That means not ignoring unpopular facts. That means that
logical fallacies are identified and torn down. That means
a continuous willingness to be wrong, so as to get things right.
That means an openness to alternative points of view which
often reveal new insights that one's own POV was blind to.
And so on. Its holistic, forward & back, and not as simple
as the sound bites that politicians like to banter to deceive
the lazy, and under-informed.
 
 
-hh
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 23 09:19AM -0700

On 2017-05-23 7:11 AM, Dene wrote:
> of "Taught" as a synonym for being better educated.
 
> He's a troll you blathering idiot. He doesn't give a rat's ass about American politics. He cares only about the argument and with moderate responding to him, he gets plenty of ammunition. Most everybody else has figured out his stupid game. Dare to disagree with him sometime and get back to us.
 
> Bye.
 
As if you're in the slightest bit different (except for your lack of
integrity of course).
 
:-)
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: May 23 08:43AM -0500

Carbon wrote:
 
>>> Speaking of bias. Maybe you should just read the study instead of relying on the spin from some far-right advocacy site.
 
>> LOL!! Says the guy who relies on spin from far-left advocacy sites.
 
> Cite.
Sure Salon boy, lol!
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