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Friday, May 19, 2017

Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 06:31PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 10:10 AM, Dene wrote:
 
>> OMG. I said "if". The truth will come out. If it is proven that the presidency was gained via illegal means, then there should be another election.
 
> What is the scenario that the presidency was gain by illegal means? Are you talking about the hacking of the DNC?
 
It was a very close election. Given the noises emanating from the intelligence community, I am confident that Putin's minions were hard at work manipulating the outcome of the election, as they have in the past with the Ukraine and no doubt other countries as well.
 
If it is shown that the election results are tainted, then the election itself must be done over.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: May 19 03:53PM -0700

On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 6:31:37 PM UTC-4, Carbon wrote:
 
> > What is the scenario that the presidency was gain by illegal means? Are you talking about the hacking of the DNC?
 
> It was a very close election. Given the noises emanating from the intelligence community, I am confident that Putin's minions were hard at work manipulating the outcome of the election, as they have in the past with the Ukraine and no doubt other countries as well.
 
> If it is shown that the election results are tainted, then the election itself must be done over.
 
They tried to sabotage the French election to help Marine
Le Pen win. Thank God they failed.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 07:14PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 06:53 PM, John B. wrote:
 
>> If it is shown that the election results are tainted, then the election itself must be done over.
 
> They tried to sabotage the French election to help Marine
> Le Pen win. Thank God they failed.

As they have in other countries as well. They have the formula pretty much down at this point.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 19 05:29PM -0700

On 5/19/2017 3:31 PM, Carbon wrote:
 
>> What is the scenario that the presidency was gain by illegal means? Are you talking about the hacking of the DNC?
 
> It was a very close election. Given the noises emanating from the intelligence community, I am confident that Putin's minions were hard at work manipulating the outcome of the election, as they have in the past with the Ukraine and no doubt other countries as well.
 
> If it is shown that the election results are tainted, then the election itself must be done over.
 
There is no way of proving that Russian hacking influenced voters.
Either Trump will be exonerated or you will be bitching about President
Pence. Both are winning scenarios for me and mainstream America. The
Dems still have no message and their elitist ideology are disconnected
from the middle class...who voted Trump and the Republicans into office.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 05:33PM -0700

On 2017-05-19 5:29 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>> If it is shown that the election results are tainted, then the
>> election itself must be done over.
 
> There is no way of proving that Russian hacking influenced voters.
 
And you're going to hang on to that by your fingernails!
 
> Pence. Both are winning scenarios for me and mainstream America. The
> Dems still have no message and their elitist ideology are disconnected
> from the middle class...who voted Trump and the Republicans into office.
 
Unless Pence was involved...
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 08:49PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 08:29 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>> It was a very close election. Given the noises emanating from the intelligence community, I am confident that Putin's minions were hard at work manipulating the outcome of the election, as they have in the past with the Ukraine and no doubt other countries as well.
 
>> If it is shown that the election results are tainted, then the election itself must be done over.
 
> There is no way of proving that Russian hacking influenced voters.
 
Investigations are ongoing. We shall see.
 
> Pence. Both are winning scenarios for me and mainstream America. The
> Dems still have no message and their elitist ideology are disconnected
> from the middle class...who voted Trump and the Republicans into office.
 
Trump lost the popular vote. Mainstream America voted for Hillary by 3 million votes.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 19 05:59PM -0700

Trump lost the popular vote. Mainstream America voted for Hillary by 3 million votes.
 
Who owns the POTUS? Who owns the House and Senate? Who owns 35 governorships and the vast majority of state legislatures and local government?
 
But of course the Russians were responsible for this last November in the previous three or four elections. God forbid The Left take any responsibility for their failures.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 06:35PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 01:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
 
> [stuff when you're pushing it back."
 
> [This would take co-operation with the Trump campaign, it is claimed.'
 
> <https://www.justsecurity.org/41199/connecting-dots-political-microtargeting-russia-investigation-cambridge-analytica/>

 
This to me is very plausible. A coordinated attack by an enemy state on the democratic process, weaponizing low-information voters to influence the election.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 19 05:25PM -0700

On 5/19/2017 3:35 PM, Carbon wrote:
 
>> [This would take co-operation with the Trump campaign, it is claimed.'
 
>> <https://www.justsecurity.org/41199/connecting-dots-political-microtargeting-russia-investigation-cambridge-analytica/>
 
> This to me is very plausible. A coordinated attack by an enemy state on the democratic process, weaponizing low-information voters to influence the election.
 
Amusing to me that the Left cannot accept they lost all the elections.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 05:32PM -0700

On 2017-05-19 5:25 PM, Dene wrote:
>> on the democratic process, weaponizing low-information voters to
>> influence the election.
 
> Amusing to me that the Left cannot accept they lost all the elections.
 
Actually:
 
Clinton got more votes than Trump.
 
Democrats gained seats in the house.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 08:55PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 08:25 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>>> <https://www.justsecurity.org/41199/connecting-dots-political-microtargeting-russia-investigation-cambridge-analytica/>
 
>> This to me is very plausible. A coordinated attack by an enemy state on the democratic process, weaponizing low-information voters to influence the election.
 
> Amusing to me that the Left cannot accept they lost all the elections.

I completely discount the Congressional elections due to REDMAP gerrymandering. Trump lost the popular vote even with substantial support from an enemy state.
 
Trump is going down the tubes at a rate that surprises even me. I thought he'd at least be smart enough to go play golf and leave the day to day to people who had some idea what they're doing. But nope! Not so much. The Republicans control the presidency, plus the house and senate, and they're getting nothing done because Trump keeps lurching from one self-inflicted crisis to another. The pressure is going to get to be too much for Trump and he's going to bolt, just like he did with his many bankruptcies.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 02:36PM -0700

On 2017-05-19 1:14 PM, Dene wrote:
>> it.
 
> I'll definitely wait to hear his report and meanwhile, give the
> Trump-hating speculation it's due respect.
 
It's not speculation, Greg.
 
These things are happening.
 
I'll put this back to you:
 
Which of the important issues that have been raised about Trump's
actions so far have actually been shown to be false?
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 19 05:55PM -0700

Saw Alan Dershowitz, a noted civil libertarian, on Tucker Carlson and then read this link. Finally a voice of reason.
 
Bottom line. Trump will not be charged for obstruction. He will be exonerated for any collusion and the Dems will whine themselves into remaining the minority party.
 
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/alan-dershowitz-trump-indictment-obstruction/2017/05/17/id/790662/
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 07:31PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 10:31 AM, MNMikeW wrote:
 
>>> The REAL scandal is the unmasking that took place. Collusion is not a crime.
 
>> Collusion is a crime. Unmasking is not.
 
> Umasking for political reasons is.

Cite.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: May 19 02:30PM -0700

Like he's one to talk.
 
Not only did he say it, he said it to visiting Russian diplomats!
 
He said firing Comey relieved him of "great pressure" from the
Russia investigation. He couldn't be more wrong.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html?_r=0
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 06:39PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 05:30 PM, John B. wrote:
 
 
> He said firing Comey relieved him of "great pressure" from the
> Russia investigation. He couldn't be more wrong.
 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html?_r=0
 
Trump is clearly to stupid to navigate the political waters in Washington, to a degree that makes even Wubya look like a genius. It's hilarious the way these apologists keep making excuses for him. He's a fucking idiot. It's that simple.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 03:41PM -0700

On 2017-05-19 3:39 PM, Carbon wrote:
>> Russia investigation. He couldn't be more wrong.
 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html?_r=0
 
> Trump is clearly to stupid to navigate the political waters in Washington, to a degree that makes even Wubya look like a genius. It's hilarious the way these apologists keep making excuses for him. He's a fucking idiot. It's that simple.
 
There are already reports that people within the White House are growing
fearful of making any statements on anything because Trump will come
along and undo what they've so artfully lied about.
 
:-)
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 19 07:16PM -0400

On 05/19/2017 06:41 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> fearful of making any statements on anything because Trump will come
> along and undo what they've so artfully lied about.
 
> :-)
Yup. Being corrupt is nothing new in Washington, but this degree of stupidity is unprecedented.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 11:39AM -0700

'But more importantly, House Republicans are now fighting over who was
first to begin talking seriously about removing the president from office.'
 
<https://www.justsecurity.org/41191/norms-watch-tracking-erosion-democratic-traditions-may-12-19/
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 02:38PM -0700

On 2017-05-19 1:46 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266714/anonymous-sources-washingto
> n-post-and-cnn-fake-daniel-greenfield
 
If you think that says something the rebuts what I wrote (which is now
snipped out--coincidence?)...
 
...then include it in your reply.
 
But you won't...
 
...because you've got nothing...
 
...and everyone knows it.
 
:-)
BK@Onramp.net: May 19 05:13PM -0500

On Fri, 19 May 2017 15:46:01 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
 
>http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266714/anonymous-sources-washingto
>n-post-and-cnn-fake-daniel-greenfield
 
What else would one expect from the sources you read? They're as fake
as they say mainstream media is.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 03:32PM -0700

>> n-post-and-cnn-fake-daniel-greenfield
 
> What else would one expect from the sources you read? They're as fake
> as they say mainstream media is.
 
Not to mention that there is literally NOTHING in that link that
contains anything the refutes the attributed statements by Republican
politicians that there may be grounds to impeach Trump...
 
...and that at least one of them is eager to let the world know that he
was first to say it.
 
:-)
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 19 03:00PM -0700

...right, wingnuts?
 
'President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month
that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved "great
pressure" on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.
 
"I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr.
Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York
Times by an American official. "I faced great pressure because of
Russia. That's taken off."'
 
<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html>
 
'The White House document that contained Mr. Trump's comments was based
on notes taken from inside the Oval Office and has been circulated as
the official account of the meeting. One official read quotations to The
Times, and a second official confirmed the broad outlines of the discussion.
 
Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.'
 
Own it.
 
:-)
michaelunowho@gmail.com: May 19 02:54PM -0700

Or will the POS slip through the net like Epstein because of political connections?
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 19 04:21PM -0500

Weiner guilty, Biden throws Hillary under the bus, Rosenstein
confirms Comey firing appropriate, Russians say HRC murdered Seth
Rich
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