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Sunday, May 7, 2017

"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 03:40PM -0700

The cheesedaughter - she graduates this upcoming weekend.
 
Yikes, that went fast.
 
Off to Virginia* tomorrow to pick up the boy as he finishes up his first year, then off to the Twin Cities.
 
*With a detour to the Tail of the Dragon to let the GTI have some fun
"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhynes@gmail.com>: May 07 04:18PM -0700

On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
 
> Yikes, that went fast.
 
> Off to Virginia* tomorrow to pick up the boy as he finishes up his first year, then off to the Twin Cities.
 
> *With a detour to the Tail of the Dragon to let the GTI have some fun
 
:-)
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:06PM -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 9:09:40 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> I have a tradition of going to an Irish place on May 5th and a Mexican place on St Patrick's day.
 
> Avoids the crowds.
 
smrat
JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com>: May 07 03:35PM -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 10:09:40 AM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> I have a tradition of going to an Irish place on May 5th and a Mexican place on St Patrick's day.
 
> Avoids the crowds.
 
There was a restaurant around here, now closed, called Jose Malone's. It was an Irish Mexican restaurant. I assume it was packed on both days.
"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhynes@gmail.com>: May 07 04:16PM -0700

On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 5:35:43 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> > I have a tradition of going to an Irish place on May 5th and a Mexican place on St Patrick's day.
 
> > Avoids the crowds.
 
> There was a restaurant around here, now closed, called Jose Malone's. It was an Irish Mexican restaurant. I assume it was packed on both days.
 
There's a place in Omaha, and I think it's a chain, named Carlos O'Kelly's. I've never partaken.
"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhynes@gmail.com>: May 07 04:17PM -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 9:09:40 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> I have a tradition of going to an Irish place on May 5th and a Mexican place on St Patrick's day.
 
> Avoids the crowds.
 
Sumwun beet yew two it, in a manner of speaking: https://youtu.be/xTq20prt0K8
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:04PM -0700

> Happy to be wrong. :)
 
> Cheers.
 
So once again, a white woman is denied the highest office by a white man. Who knew France was such a hotbed of bigotry and sexism?
 
Hah!
 
Btw - will this be called the Frentry?
CtrlAltDel <altiemcd@aol.com>: May 07 10:18PM

On Sun, 07 May 2017 09:27:42 -0700, dotslashderek wrote:
 
 
> Nationalism and anti-immigration seem to be a potent secret sauce across
> the western world right now.
 
> Cheers.
 
You were right. I just hope Macron doesn't get all terribly violent like
our fascists here in America out in Seattle and Cali who try to murder
people who don't agree with them. If Macron really is a fascist, I bet he
will try his best to turn Paris into Berkeley and persecute and prosecute
those they don't like.
 
France can't tun into what the fascists are turning America into, ever.
France, and it's darling Paris, have always been the light of the world
and it must never dim.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: May 07 04:14PM -0700

Well you couldn't have really believed that though...the female candidate had said her goal going into election day was to get 40 percent(she didn't)...unlike Trump/Hillary, this wasn't a close race
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:17PM -0700


> First of all - yes - can definitely imagine that GLEE. That's a really good analogy.
 
> For your primary question... I think it could go both ways. So, what we're really talking about is comparing the pressure the insurance companies provide VS pressure the government would provide in both the broad context of industry wide innovation and a more specific context around innovation related to increasing access and reducing costs, right?
 
> Because the consumers are presumably going to be there providing their pressure regardless.
 
Bigger picture - with private insurance, you essentially have more "buyers" than with single payer. With more buyers comes more demand for better services at better prices AND a willingness to try "new" - whereas a monopsony tends to preserve the status quo - particularly in a gov't situation - there's no incentive to reduce costs.
 
> So when I say it could go both ways - doesn't it sort of depend on the temperament of the government?
 
Ideally? Yes - but in reality, no. Gov'ts by nature expand power - instead of being a referee, they want to be involved in the plays.

 
> Maybe the ideal government is one with broad and comprehensive safety net measures written in "structurally" run by tightwad libertarians, begrudgingly doling out the absolute minimum cash required to meet their constitutional obligations.
 
> Other concerns - you'd need to avoid at any cost the government deciding to "in house" things. In basically any way shape or form. They foot the bill - they don't make the sausage. Which has interesting implications around funding all kinds of things - even really basic research - and where that line is drawn.
 
> Interesting questions, dude. Just scratching the surface, I'm sure.
 
Just basically trying to figure out whether or not single payer is better or not - and why. I can see the pro arguments - it's simpler and it give freedom to start new businesses. On the con side tho - really worried about lack of innovative pressure/incentives to improve, much less necessary rationing/stratification and the inevitable huge spiraling costs.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: May 07 01:50PM -0700

I'll add this in terms of cost pressures, and the difference between things when the govt is the payer and when private insurance is the payer:
 
When a patient is on day 2-3 of their hospitalization on my geriatric psych unit and they have blue cross, case managers are coming to me to tell me I need to document reasons why the patient must stay(still combative/agitated, florridly psychotic, etc) because they are working hard to do whatever they can to stop paying for that admission.
 
When the same patient on the same geripsych unit has medicare, let's just say there is not nearly the same pressure and oversight. They'll often pay for 14+ days without even an initial review of a need for that level of care. Sad because it's our tax dollars that is paying for that.....
Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: May 07 03:35PM -0700

So the healthcare provider is keeping patients it doesn't need to, providing a disservice to the patient and stealing government funds, but we should blame the government for trusting doctors.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: May 07 04:11PM -0700

No the situation is a lot more complicated than that...especially with inpatients(psych and medicine). Oftentimes a pt, on medicine or psych, is in a grey area in that they could be discharged to a less intensive environment under different social circumstances...my point was that private insurers do a heck of a lot better job cutting those grey area inpatient days off(in terms of reimbursing) than Medicare....
 
Sometimes the admin is mad at me because I'll hold on to a BCBS pt a few days after they've authorized. And thus they(or I) don't get paid....we don't run into that problem with Medicare like that
dotslashderek@gmail.com: May 07 01:25PM -0700

I like the angle where trump is aligning with a powerful french socialist shortly after extolling the virtues of australia's nationalized healthcare system.
 
Cheers.
CtrlAltDel <altiemcd@aol.com>: May 07 10:09PM

On Sun, 07 May 2017 13:25:35 -0700, dotslashderek wrote:
 
> socialist shortly after extolling the virtues of australia's
> nationalized healthcare system.
 
> Cheers.
 
Tell yourself what you want, friend, but real socialists don't defend
borders. This guy is basically a Trump in disguise and is going to insult
a lot of immigrants when he starts militarizing borders all over the EU.
Politically correct he isn't and I'm happy for the French. They too have
awoken.
CtrlAltDel <altiemcd@aol.com>: May 07 10:13PM

On Sun, 07 May 2017 12:41:59 -0700, Eric Ramon wrote:
 
 
 
> whoever wrote this must have written it about Marine Le Pen and then
> replaced her name with Macron's. Good job, too, of replacing the
> pronouns.
 
Geez, typical liberal always quick with the insult due to not having
normal sized balls. I wrote this with just a simple insert of the
information about Macron, the Enforcer, sending shock troops to stop the
Muslim killer invasion.
 
Trump can actually learn something from this guy. I mean, he can't learn
anything from Trump about women, as he is a cuck that was raped repeating
by his current wife when he was a child, but maybe about having borders
and how to enforce them.
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:10PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:22:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Ramon wrote:
 
> > Why should there be?
 
> there's also nothing in the constitution about the right to food and water, is there? And what about guaranteed seats on an airplane? Nothing that I can find!
 
> It could be argued, though, that the Declaration of Independence's mention of the right to "life" is an implied assumption of health care. Some, I think, take the position that that would mean the right to "birth" and that after that you're on your own, buddy!
 
Rights are those things which come naturally to us - and can be restricted by the gov.
 
All other things are nice things to have.
 
Oh and TANSTAAFL
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:09PM -0700

> "This represents the ratcheting up of a regulatory regime that will slow California's already-torpid rate of issuing building permits, which is well below the national average."
 
> I wish they'd fix that.
 
> Cheers.
 
In a way, they can't. Earthquakes cap vertical building size and water shortages cap development along the coast. Amount of land isn't the issue....
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:07PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-5, Futbol Phan wrote:
> Bud Light? Are you kidding me? At least they could celebrate the elimination of health care for millions with some decent cerveza.
 
The Bud Light was for a different group.
 
The Trump 24 hour is still in effect.
"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 07 01:05PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 8:58:50 AM UTC-5, michael anderson wrote:
 
> Still going to keep the old Nissan econobox for lomg trips, bad weather driving, etc...may drive the Porsche 3-4 days a week around time.
 
> Compared to the Cayman, the 911 base I drove felt heavy. And it has a completely unusable back seat. And was like 20k more.
 
> Haven't price out insurance yet....hope it's not too bad.
 
Have fun and enjoy
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