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Wednesday, May 17, 2017

Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 12:42PM -0700

| Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the
| Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any
| person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so
| would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28
| USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license
| to practice law.
|
| So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he
| comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls
| into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported
| it.
|
| Obstruction requires what's called "specific intent" to interfere
| with a criminal case. If Comey concluded, however, that Trump's
| language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty
| under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level
| of specific intent. Thus, no crime.
|
| There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice
| Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that
| incriminating information would have made its way to the public
| either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that
| could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.
 
<http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-without-powder.html>
 
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Emperor Wonko the Sane <doug@sorensensdomain.net>: May 17 01:17PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:42:52 PM UTC-5, Michael Press wrote:
 
> <http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-without-powder.html>
 
> --
> Michael Press
 
The key element to the obstruction case is his firing. That only happened last week. We'll see how this all plays out, but it is far from over. IMO, the real damage to the administration from this will play out in it relations with Congress. Who wants to be seen as cooperating with the administration now?
 
Doug
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 01:39PM -0700

In article <8739e7db-61e7-472b-80cf-e9bc53abe34e@googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael Press
 
> The key element to the obstruction case is his firing. That only happened last week. We'll see how this all plays out, but it is far from over. IMO, the real damage to the administration from this will play out in it relations with Congress. Who wants to be seen as cooperating with the administration now?
 
> Doug
 
Point is that before President Trump can be impeached
James Comey would have to be convicted under
18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361.
 
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Michael Press
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 09:39PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:42:47 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
wrote:
 
><http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-without-powder.html>
 
>--
>Michael Press
 
The president is not constitutionally prevented from firing Comey.
 
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-independent-is-the-fbis-director
 
As they say in the South, "Tough Shit, y'all".
 
Hugh
 
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Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 12:48PM -0700

In article <140a1adb-a219-41ca-8921-da3b2548c3bc@googlegroups.com>,
 
> The Labour Party has been hurt by a lot of things. One overlooked one is the rise of the Scottish National Party, gutting Labour's northern stronghold. The fact is that no matter who leads Labour or its platform it can never win while the SNP is strong. Given their hopeless structural position they might as well indulge their leftist id.
 
How did the Scottish National Party gain their constituency?
Because Labour went with identity politics and abandoned the
constituency that went to th e SNP.
 
> The US analogy would be if a California national Party arose and took all the Democratic seats in the California congressional delegation and won CA's electoral votes.
 
I don't do argument by analogy.
 
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"wolfie" <bgbdwolf@gte.net>: May 17 05:37PM -0400

"Michael Press" wrote
 
> How did the Scottish National Party gain their constituency?
> Because Labour went with identity politics and abandoned the
> constituency that went to the SNP.
 
Let us know when you figure out the SNP is
based entirely on identity politics.
unclejr <watsona64@gmail.com>: May 17 12:14PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 9:35:30 AM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
 
> >He's nearing the end of his life.
 
> Permit me to quote darkstar philosophy - "the sooner, the better" by
> the quickest available means.
 
It would be karma if you kicked off before Bernie.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 09:25PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT), unclejr
 
>> Permit me to quote darkstar philosophy - "the sooner, the better" by
>> the quickest available means.
 
>It would be karma if you kicked off before Bernie.
 
I'm not your worst enemy - you are.
 
Logic says I will. I hope I can face the inevitable with a joke, a
smile and give thanks to God for all the blessings.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 09:14PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:35:38 -0700 (PDT), darkstar7646@gmail.com
wrote:
 
>> the Post the next time he sees one - then back to norm.
 
>It is a wonder to me that Trump has not called for the abolition of the First Amendment yet. The longer he leaves the Press some approximation of "free", the more likely he literally (and after a legal process!!) hangs.
 
>Mike
 
Part of any real solution depends in part on knowing how your
opponents feel. You might take them out in one-on-one matches. But
we've seen over 8+ years that confrontation brings nothing but
resistance. You have to give a little and make them think you're
giving a lot.
 
We played war in Korea and Nam and learned nothing about not winning.
We have not stopped playing. It took more than 50 years to get this
bad - it will take longer to get it right.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 08:48PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:27:32 -0700 (PDT), darkstar7646@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 
>You really think I'm exaggerating when I say that, but, at that point, the =
>only good liberal (to you) is a dead one. You can't convert a lot of these=
> people.
 
You're probably not exaggerating. I think you have limited experience
in management and limited intelligence. You only have the mental
capacity to see one way.
 
>You forget several things:
 
>1) Many of these people are alive only because of benefits, cheap credit, a=
>nd The New Deal.
 
So, if those things had not happened they would not be alive.
 
>Eugenics (if not euthanasia) was actually a fairly popula=
>r means of dealing with the "useless" until the courts prohibited it.
 
Euthanasia was for people in unsolvable physical misery - usually
older people.
 
>It w=
>as common practice to order welfare cases to be sterilized for the good of =
>the common society -- in North Carolina, as late as 1977!
 
Society doesn't always accept shoddy merchandise. There is less reason
to enable worthless people to reproduce. But everyone on welfare is
not worthless.
 
>2) Much of American industry (and more than a few people) wanted the Nazis =
>to take Europe and were willing to incorporate it here.
 
I liked the idea of a super race but not the way Hitler did it.
 
>Obgerefell.
 
>If liberalism must be defeated at all cost, you probably have to kill half =
>the country. Not sterilize, not segregate, eliminate.
 
It doesn't have to be in my lifetime or yours. Even slavery would have
solved itself given enough time.
 
>No, they'll kill YOU. That's the problem you don't get. The only reason y=
>ou were able to get to work or do anything productive is that you paid for =
>the peace.
 
That and the weapons in my vehcle. It would have cost more than 1 life
 
>kill people.
 
>Yes, it's a bribe not to kill people like you.
 
>Mike
 
I don't really wish you had tried 40 years ago - but you might have
been posting from a warmer place if you had. I'm easy now.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 09:06PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:33:48 -0700 (PDT), darkstar7646@gmail.com
wrote:
 
>And here's where we disagree. At some point, talking doesn't get it done.
 
We do disagree. I coached Little League in a mostly black area. I know
some of those kids minds were changed and they had a better life
because of me and people like me. I usually gave 2 or 3 rides home. I
was told they had aleted people that I was not to be touched.
 
One of the bitter Viet Nam veterans in the Reserve told others if they
gave CDR Sullivan shit they would answer to him - I heard him once. I
had previously asked him to get 10 volunteers for AcDuTra when they
didn't want to go. He did because we had mutual respect, not because
we thought alike.
 
I was assigned to the lousiest paper rout in Greenville MS - 1
Italian, ! Assyrian and about 30 blacks. I left delivering more than
100 papers and everybody paid up. It was one of the 2 choice routes.
 
It's small stuff but it's success
 
>I think our main difference is the belief that the useless will take care o=
>f (as in off) themselves given the chance. They might... But they'll take=
> you with them and have ZERO QUALMS doing so.
 
You have to convince them OVER TIME that there is a better way and
motivate them. Authority over them is not the answer. Feed him salt
and make him thirsty if you want him to drink. You have probably seen
failure - I have not.
 
 
>" you speak of. Nothing else will work, especially in the eyes of the Righ=
>t.
 
>Mike
 
The AT ALL COST is cause and effect - either side can cause the wrong
effect and does constantly.
 
Being a nigger is not dependent on race or politics.
 
Hugh
 
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"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: May 17 12:39PM -0700

So, you're okay if the RNC pays protestors to interrupt DNC candidates' forums in 2020?
unclejr <watsona64@gmail.com>: May 17 01:34PM -0700

> So, you're okay if the RNC pays protestors to interrupt DNC candidates' forums in 2020?
 
That already happened in 2010.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 08:32PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT), darkstar7646@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 
>I think you misunderstand one thing: The freebies are given to keep you sa=
>fe, Hugh. From people like me...
 
I think most people like you are where you are. People like that are
not seen very often in neighborhoods I travel. They are not found in
rural Southern areas and towns that I see.
 
 
>Works well in theory. Not in practice where, in a society, you need to be =
>connected and learn how to suck dick (or, as one businessman puts it, eat s=
>hit and like the taste of it) to succeed.
 
I never knew anyone that happened to and almost everyone who worked at
the company I did was very successful - maybe a few not great managers
of personal finances.
 
>Hard work is badly overrated in a country where you need someone else to sa=
>y yes to get ahead.
 
There is always a boss even if just the public.
>> support you.
 
>Then shoot them. Nothing short of that will work.
 
>Mike
 
I'll not take your word for that yet.
 
Hugh
 
 
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Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 01:04PM -0700

In article <27d1b558-1c69-4822-bd85-f448f0c4c778@googlegroups.com>,
 
> > --
> > Michael Press
 
> In private, three administration officials
 
More anonymous sources. Yes, sometimes a journalist relies on an
anonymous source after thorough review and examination of his own
biases. Now when almmost every allegation is from an anonymous
source and delivered with smug satisfaction from a true believer
I choose not to put any trust in a story from an anonymous
source. This system is works for me. Allegation after allegation
collapses.
 
| As things clear up, we may be seeing a collapsing soufflé. And as
| with so many soufflés served up by the press in recent months, it
| emerged from the oven to oohs and ahs—this time, with me among
| the oohers and ahers—only to sink, first slowly, then quickly.
| Next, it will go into the trash, and we'll bake another. It's
| tiring. It's boring. And above all it's supremely damaging to the
| press. If you want people to believe you, then develop a
| reputation for believability. Might work better than just blaming
| your loss of credibility on Trump.
--T. A. Frank
<http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/the-dirty-secret-behind-the-jeff-sessions-mess>
 
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Michael Press
Futbol Phan <sgzphd@gmail.com>: May 17 01:25PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 3:04:47 PM UTC-5, Michael Press wrote:
> I choose not to put any trust in a story from an anonymous
> source. This system is works for me. Allegation after allegation
> collapses.
 
Gee, let's think about this. What do think would happen to any Dolt 45 staffer/aide who spoke on record about the clusterf*ck that this administration has proven itself to be?
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 01:23PM -0700

In article <c97b3192-f3ce-4ce7-a382-9e7b0d0a81eb@googlegroups.com>,
 
> you gotta remember, the complaints you hear about deportation of illegal aliens come from the suburbs. Folks gotta have their cheap labor.
 
I claim that most people who pay others to have their
place looked after are making enough money to pay much more.
Otherwise the owner occupant does the work himself.
I did not start hiring work done until long after
the point where I earned more than the cost of the job.
 
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Michael Press
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 01:12PM -0700

In article <a8b68964-4003-4c3c-8e98-7e2861bef6fc@googlegroups.com>,
 
> I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.
 
> Leo Tolstoy
 
Leo Tolstoy treated his family abominably.
His word is no good with me.
 
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Michael Press
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: May 17 12:40PM -0700

Took less than 4 for you.
 
I win.
Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: May 17 12:38PM -0700

New Hampshire State Rep Who Created Reddit's 'Red Pill' Resigns
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/17/new-hampshire-state-rep-who-created-reddits-red-pill-resigns
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: May 17 12:11PM -0700

In article <3380d916-a48d-41c7-ae98-59d194fd2b2e@googlegroups.com>,
 
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 9:21:36 PM UTC-7, Michael Press wrote:
 
> > I'd like to see that.
 
> This is why Pence may have been installed by those dealing with Trump as a poison pill for the rest of us. There are a lot of people who would like to see much of this country killed on moral grounds (as in, abhorrence to God!) to save this country as a (falsely) Christian nation.
 
Pence is perfectly placed. Trump takes all the flac
while Pence quietly installs a theocracy. Then it
will not be the Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on your
door, and they won't be as polite.
 
> > roasting Church deniers.
 
> You'd probably also have to get rid of the current Pope too, who is seen as one of the more Progressive Popes...
 
> Mike
 
He's a heretic and commie.
 
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"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj4life@gmail.com>: May 17 11:52AM -0700

> No worries. The GOP has their back:
 
> http://fox6now.com/2017/03/09/republicans-introduce-bill-to-kill-class-action-lawsuits-tmwsp/
 
> Cheers.
 
snicker
Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: May 17 12:10PM -0700

Class action seems like a scam much of the time as the lawyers are the only ones who get anything worth getting.
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: May 17 07:48AM -0700

Like the Reid option.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): May 17 01:13PM

On Wed, 17 May 2017 00:16:17 -0400, Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org>
wrote:
 
>> wheeze on rsfc invites sleep often.
 
>> Hugh
 
>I've found my CPAP helps with that.
 
My wife insisted I go to the doctor again - stronger antis this time -
they worked.
 
I don't believe anyone is more blessed than I am.
 
I'm not sorry I disappointed darkstar.
 
Hugh
 
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