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Thursday, May 4, 2017

Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 04 06:58PM -0700

Just looked at the box score of the Ottawa vs NY game. Saw a combo of penalties I don't think I have seen called as offsetting minors! Both Karlson and Zucoalla both listed as being called for holding
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 04 07:15PM -0700

They did it again in the 3rd off setting fighting and holding penalties. Most fights start with a hugging match.
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 04 09:11AM -0300

On 05/01/2017 01:22 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Official today as a 1-year max ELC deal, fwiw.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Right in Bergy's wheelhouse. Bottom pairing D and 4th liners. Nobody can
sign them up like Bergy! Who needs #1 and #2 centers? Doesn't 3 4th line
plugs = 1 #1 Centre?
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 04 06:50AM -0700

I'm hoping it is a sign they plan on ditching Perry, whose puck skills have been overstated.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 04 07:39AM -0700

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:50:10 AM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
> I'm hoping it is a sign they plan on ditching Perry, whose puck skills
> have been overstated.
 
Well, I'd abandon that hope if I was you. Jerabek certainly pushes Nesterov out of any faint hopes he might have had of re-signing with the Habs, and if everything went well with Jerabek, maybe he could push Beaulieu? (Esp. if it's true the Habs aren't too fond of Beaulieu and/or need to use him as trade bait for a top center). But Petry isn't going anywhere.
 
So far I find Petry is a pretty decent #3... about 60% of the time. He's as advertised, and sometimes does some surprisingly good things in that 60% period. But then he has some periods where I'd be hardpressed to tell him from a more generic filler type like a Tom Gilbert or like Davidson seems to be. For a guy with a premium $5.5M long-term NMC contract... I'd want to see him play more consistently at the top of his game. It reminds me a little of Hamrlik... just the fluctuations are at a much higher frequency - Hamrlik varied more from whole season to season. Whereas Petry it's more week-to-week. But they could both be #2/3 d-men at their best, and worth their premium contracts. Or make those contracts look a bit fishy when they weren't at their best.
 
And fwiw, Czech Rep opens against Canada tomorrow, and Jerabek does seem to be on the team, so there should be a good chance to scout him out.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 04 07:58AM -0700

He can't hit. He doesn't recover well from turnovers. As a 2nd unit PP pointman rarely protects the blue line to sustain offensive zone pressure. Lacks playmaking skills required to play on a PP. If Beaulieu is given another chance getting rid of Petry would free up a roster spot. I just do not see him stepping up his game
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 04 09:16AM -0700

Somewhat surprisingly to me, Petry I think just had his best statistical season this season. He's 29, so has likely reached his peak. He has 4 more seasons at a $5.5M cap hit (with NMC and modified NTC for the last 3). Presumably not very easy to get rid of.
 
I would agree it's not too likely that he steps up his game at this point. The hope will be instead that he doesn't fall off in those 4 years. It's still pricey to me for an inconsistent #3-ish guy who is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. But it becomes an outright albatross if he drops below his current level.
 
Ultimately the hope would be that Sergachev and Juulsen supplant him during the next 4 years. But I wouldn't be expecting anything imminent with Petry.
 
l8r,
Gerry
The Mad Ape <chiefape@gmail.com>: May 04 10:31AM -0700

I'd say he'd be dangled as bait if Price signs or is moved elsewhere. To me that would signal rebuild.
 
There will be some dealing this summer but Next year will be interesting because of Price.
 
He is the only superstar on the roster.
 
TMA
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 04 11:18AM -0700

I will file Price going elsewhere and the general concept of a rebuild occurring any time soon in about the same place as Petry moving, sure. Which is to say, nothing that I will take very seriously. I don't know if it all exactly amounts to "wishful thinking" by a subgenre of Habs fans, but whatever you want to call it, it's not high probability material IMHO.
 
One could speculate about the Habs picking up Tavares and Karlsson and going for the Cup just about as readily, if one were so inclined. Can't hurt to brainstorm, right?
 
But in reality, Bergevin has his course mostly set for the next few years, I believe. He's got tweaks, large and small, that he'll try. But nothing that could be a called a "rebuild". And I believe that would be true even if Price did leave. He'd just target the best available replacement goalie, and nothing else would change either.
 
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 04 11:45AM -0700

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:16:48 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
 
> Ultimately the hope would be that Sergachev and Juulsen supplant him during the next 4 years. But I wouldn't be expecting anything imminent with Petry.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Unfortunately he will still be a Hab next season. That being said, if after the off season they are counting on him to be a top four defenceman, MB would have failed to have made any player moves on defence of any impact. If MB manages to acquire a top pairing Dman, along with Markov being resigned, Petry would drop down to the 3rd pairing. As a 3rd pairing dman I think he will not do enough to justify 5.5 million per year nor would he be a good partner for a rookie defence, should Montreal gamble to take that chance.
The Mad Ape <chiefape@gmail.com>: May 04 02:10PM -0700

If Price leaves it will be his refusal to sign. If he wants to wait until offseason to negotiate and Habs won't make playoffs they'd be best served trading him to a contender.
 
I really wouldn't blame him. PK and DD are still playing lol.
 
TMA
The Mad Ape <chiefape@gmail.com>: May 04 05:25AM -0700

I missed the boat on that one.
 
Oh well, I hope the Gr8 8 continues to suck and is bounced early again.
 
TMA
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 04 09:48AM -0300

On 05/04/2017 09:25 AM, The Mad Ape wrote:
> I missed the boat on that one.
 
> Oh well, I hope the Gr8 8 continues to suck and is bounced early again.
 
> TMA
 
Sure is looking that way. I propose a trade. We trade Max "Casper"
Pacioretty and his wonderful contract to Washington for their ghost.
Might even throw in a bunch of 4th line plugs and bottom pairing D -
Bergy has a ton of them.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: May 04 09:51AM -0400

The Mad Ape wrote:
 
 
> Oh well, I hope the Gr8 8 continues to suck and is bounced
> early again.
 
> TMA
 
Ditto on the missed boat. It's hard to take the NHL's stance
on eliminating head shots when they let this pass without
supplemental punishment.
 
Ditto on the Caps. As long as the Caps and Ducks are eliminated,
I'll be content with any combination of the rest of the pack
in the Final.
 
It's a shame really because I like Barry Trotz. I just dislike
that selfish brat Ovie more than I like Trotz.
 
Nyssa, who only made it through the first two periods of
the Oilers-Ducks game last night <yawn!>
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 04 07:44AM -0700

The NHL has no interest in promoting skill. They want to sell grit and close games. " play style" of reffing serves thier skilled players up on a silver platter to players who would struggle to stay in the NHL if the rules were enforced as written. Ignoring infractions with the misguided belief that the Refs would somehow become responsible for the outcome of games rather then the players who commit penalties rewards players who can't pass or shoot. Their questionable checking skills negate skilled players when Refs stick their whistles in thier pockets. Fans of the remaining teams might enjoy the bump and grind of close games but I find watching the random application of the rule book frustrating and boring. Maybe they should take all the speed out of the game by mandating equipment be worn that would be strong and bulky enough that would provide 100% protection against the slashing, cross checking and charging, the current equipment fails to do and just delete these offences from the rule book.
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