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Tuesday, May 30, 2017

Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 30 11:23AM -0300

http://www.yardbarker.com/golf/articles/tiger_woods_says_alcohol_was_not_involved_in_dui/s1_127_24054226?mb_edition=20170530
 
So, you get stopped for DUI but you claim alcohol was not a factor. So
why not provide a sample then? I mean, surely if it was a legit issue
with medicines then a clean breath sample would let you off the hook and
you could have been taken to the hospital to make sure you were ok.
 
uh-huh. OK buddy, whatever you say. Millions don't believe you, but I do.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: May 30 11:02AM -0400

Mike wrote:
 
 
http://www.yardbarker.com/golf/articles/tiger_woods_says_alcohol_was_not_involved_i
n_dui/s1_127_24054226?mb_edition=20170530
> taken to the hospital to make sure you were ok.
 
> uh-huh. OK buddy, whatever you say. Millions don't believe
> you, but I do.
 
Considering how many people are pulling for him to make a
comeback and get his career back on track after the surgeries
and his fall from grace, he's really making it hard to keep
finding excuses.
 
Yeah, I agree, if it was simply a case of the meds he
was prescribed causing problems, be up front about it
and get it dealt with. Dodging the issue makes it seem
like a cover up of something more disturbing.
 
Come on, Tiger! Get your shit together.
 
Nyssa, who wonders where Tiger is getting his (bad) advice
from these days
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 30 02:12PM -0300

On 05/30/2017 12:02 PM, Nyssa wrote:
 
> Come on, Tiger! Get your shit together.
 
> Nyssa, who wonders where Tiger is getting his (bad) advice
> from these days
 
Where's Preacher when we need him!!
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: May 30 10:15AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:23:51 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
> with medicines then a clean breath sample would let you off the hook and
> you could have been taken to the hospital to make sure you were ok.
 
> uh-huh. OK buddy, whatever you say. Millions don't believe you, but I do.
 
I hate to break this to you Mike, but apparently "police records obtained Tuesday by ESPN show Woods was subjected to two breathalyzer tests and blew .000 twice."
 
http://www.tsn.ca/report-woods-asleep-at-wheel-in-dui-arrest-1.765103
 
Which doesn't mean he is off the hook: I assume that Florida's DUI law covers more than just alcohol, and hence why he was booked. But it does suggest that he was telling the truth.
 
Jim
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 30 03:32PM -0300

On 05/30/2017 02:15 PM, Jim Bauch wrote:
 
> http://www.tsn.ca/report-woods-asleep-at-wheel-in-dui-arrest-1.765103
 
> Which doesn't mean he is off the hook: I assume that Florida's DUI law covers more than just alcohol, and hence why he was booked. But it does suggest that he was telling the truth.
 
> Jim
 
Fake news!
 
I actually had read yesterday that he turned down the test. I stand
corrected.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 30 02:56PM -0700

Silly Tiger, the Police do not care what you ingested or drank to have caused you to be Impaired. They do care that you were driving while impaired
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: May 30 07:03PM -0400

Chuck wrote:
 
> Silly Tiger, the Police do not care what you ingested or
> drank to have caused you to be Impaired. They do care that
> you were driving while impaired
 
Additional news has been put out from an eyedropper throughout this
afternoon.
 
The latest has:
1) the breathalyzer came up with a zero reading
2) there was damage to the front of Tiger's vehicle
3) he was asleep with the engine running and the transmission
in gear
4) he told the police that he was driving from LA to Orange
County until he admitted he had no idea where he was
 
Sounds like those pain killer were strong enough to cause
major problems and he should not have been behind the
wheel of a car.
 
Which brings up two questions:
1) did Tiger take too much of whatever was prescribed or do
his doctors realize that what he's taking is too strong or
the dosage to large?
2) with the financial resources at his disposal, why didn't
Tiger hire a driver for the duration of his recovery from
surgery or at least take a cab instead of trying to drive
himself?
 
In other news, Nike is saying that Tiger's arrest will not
affect their contract for product endorsements. (So he can
still afford that driver or cab.)
 
Nyssa, who hopes that Tiger is not yet another celebrity
going down that addiction to prescription drugs road
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 30 07:00PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:04:03 PM UTC-4, Nyssa wrote:
 
> Sounds like those pain killer were strong enough to cause
> major problems and he should not have been behind the
> wheel of a car.
 
Maybe the manufacturer of those painkillers needs someone to endorse them.
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: May 30 10:12AM -0700

I gather there was a minor controversy over some comments John Scott made about Subban, which were recorded two years ago but just aired recently. Seems like no big deal to me -- the comments were made before Scott was traded to the Habs or even met Subban, were fairly innocuous, and Subban has brushed it off as no big deal.
 
But there's some other interesting remarks by Scott in this story:
http://www.tsn.ca/scott-subban-comments-were-outdated-1.765077
 
---
The now retired forward played one game with the Canadiens at the end of the 2015-16 season. Scott said he the feeling among players who made their way up from the AHL IceCaps to the Canadiens and back down was not that Subban was a distraction, but that the team's dressing room was uncomfortable to be in.
 
"All I heard from guys coming up and down was that that locker room was just really dysfunctional. It was quiet, it wasn't a fun place to play hockey. The guys weren't having fun. When you go into a locker room like that, it's just quiet. No one's talking, no one's building relationships and for the one game that I was there, I totally sensed that. And P.K. tried, (but) it's hard to be one guy and try to pick everybody up and he was hurt and the team was going through a tough time but I didn't hear of anybody really trashing him. It was more of a Montreal's not really that fun to play in right now."
----
 
Obviously a need for grains of salt here -- Scott is a guy who probably has a well-deserved grudge against Habs' management. But it's an interesting perspective: that P.K. maybe didn't "fit in" to that locker room because he was the only guy trying to have fun in a miserable environment. And if true, what an astonishing decision to "fix" the problem by trading the one happy guy.
 
Jim
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 30 03:39PM -0300

On 05/25/2017 04:57 PM, Gerry wrote:
 
> Karlsson has come a long way too. He makes risky plays, and pulls them off. He makes risky plays and sometimes fails. But he definitely doesn't draw as much attention for the miscues as Subban does either.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
People will disagree with me and I have no basis for this other than my
gut. The problem with Subban is that he is black. He plays like a black
athlete (in the minds of those in charge and those long term veterans on
the ice) and more damningly, he behaves like a black athlete. Nobody
will ever convince me that had PK Subban been BJ McGillicuddy, was white
and played identically to PK Subban that he never would have been
traded. Therrien is a well known bully and abuser of young players. Its
not hard to imagine that PK Subban added a dimension to the player that
Therrien likes to harass that resulted in things going to another level.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 30 11:42AM -0700

Not enough to go on by itself, of course. That was such a messed up season, especially at the end, that I don't really see how much else could be expected... a total disaster of a season and Scott was there for 1 game?
 
Was he up longer than the 1 game? Because Subban didn't play that game. Not too sure how often they actually were in the same room together? Hanley, Johnston, Pateryn, and Dietz were on D that game too. As Scott said, it was a sense he got from guys coming up and down, not from his own direct observation. A lot of those guys were up and down after Subban went out. But I can also imagine it's always hard for young guys up from the minors to feel comfortable with Therrien as a coach too.
 
But I can certainly imagine they have a fairly robotic type of "personality" in general as a team. That being said, if you have a room full of robots, and 1 playful jokester, I can easily imagine that 1 guy grating on the rest. Not every minute of every day, but often enough that adds up to an issue. And I can totally imagine Weber fitting in on the robot factory floor much better.
 
I wonder how much of that problem is plaguing Galchenyuk too. He seemed like a bit of a happy-go-lucky type at times. Nobody can compare to Subban in that regard, but Galchenyuk seems to have(/had) a bit of happiness in him too.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: May 30 12:00PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:42:51 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
 
> I wonder how much of that problem is plaguing Galchenyuk too. He seemed like a bit of a happy-go-lucky type at times. Nobody can compare to Subban in that regard, but Galchenyuk seems to have(/had) a bit of happiness in him too.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
I do recall reading some not-so-thinly-veiled comments from Team Foxhole about players being insufficiently sad about losing. And sure, if you've got a last-place team that drops their fifth in a row and everybody's laughing in the dressing room after about where they're going out for beers tonight, there's obviously a problem. But surely you can go too far the other way, too: if the dressing room is constantly a morgue, and everyone is gripping their sticks tightly, that's a team that could use some loosening up.
 
Normally I would be content to leave such judgment calls about mood and demeanor and chemistry to the folks who live in that world. But nothing about Therrien or Bergevin gives me any confidence in their judgment in those respects.
 
And incidentally, wasn't Bergevin supposedly the wacky mad prankster in his playing days?
 
Jim
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 30 12:23PM -0700

Indeed, Bergevin did have that reputation, which makes everything even weirder.
 
It would seem like they have added some guys who are known to have "emotion" of a different type, though, in Radulov and Shaw. Those guys seem to be wound pretty tight, more fiery than jovial? Or at least, Radulov used to seem temperamental, even if he has mellowed out now in his old age. So I doubt it's all just stoic robots anymore either.
 
Totally aside to all this, just thinking of Radulov reminded me of a peek I took the other day at the UFA list for this summer. There's a serious lack of upper end players in their prime. He might be the top forward available? Ought to make it tougher still to retain him.
 
l8r,
Gerry
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