Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 9 updates in 2 topics

Wednesday, May 17, 2017

Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 17 06:02AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 10:47:03 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> Bergevin rolled the dice on several fronts and lost
 
... meanwhile, David Poile announced as a finalist for GM of the Year. (And some would say considered a front-runner). And what big moves did Poile make? Well, granted he has spent time putting together his team over the years and has picked up a number of key players (Johansen, Forsberg) via trade, or found some guys in later rounds (Ekholm, Arvidsson)... only 1 big change in THIS season, however. We know what that one was.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 17 06:16AM -0700

Dice was a good reference, MB changed one of his dice, while Poile exchanged pieces of his puzzle that fit together better.
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 17 12:35PM -0300

On 05/17/2017 10:02 AM, Gerry wrote:
 
> ... meanwhile, David Poile announced as a finalist for GM of the Year. (And some would say considered a front-runner). And what big moves did Poile make? Well, granted he has spent time putting together his team over the years and has picked up a number of key players (Johansen, Forsberg) via trade, or found some guys in later rounds (Ekholm, Arvidsson)... only 1 big change in THIS season, however. We know what that one was.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Do they give out GM award to the best dressed?
How about a "jokester" GM award? Is that given out?
Maybe an award for the GM with the greatest number of players making
under $2M a year?
An award for the highest number of defencemen not actually playing?
 
No? Damn, there goes our trip to the podium for Bergy. Too bad.
Ed <ed.matthews@gmail.com>: May 17 11:10AM -0700

Mike!
 
You didn't even mention any awards related to the foxhole. For shame :)
 
Longest stay in a foxhole.
Worst choice of foxhole buddies.
 
 
Ed
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: May 17 09:37PM -0300

On 05/17/2017 03:10 PM, Ed wrote:
 
> Longest stay in a foxhole.
> Worst choice of foxhole buddies.
 
> Ed
 
Damn - how'd I miss that?
offdapost@gmail.com: May 17 12:05PM -0700

So, long time lurker but just had to weigh in on this one.
Most GM's get 3 - 5 years to show results and achieve some measure of success. If you consider making the playoff's a measure of success then yes MB has achieved that, but if you consider where/what he started with and where the team has progressed to in 5 years then it is no longer a measure of progression but one of stagnation. It's this fact alone that says F to me. You add on the MT debacle and PK trade and it's we need a new GM.
I agree with the good/bad you have already identified and it has taken me from an MB supporter to a this team wont make it to the next level if he remains. His biggest weakness appears to be his lack of flexibility. He gets a path and dogs it even when all the data points to a change, examples being, MT, DD, not recognizing what he had with PK and one of worse ones, the lack of growth from the AHL. Bergermiester just keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, hmmm, isn't that an example of something...
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 17 12:35PM -0700

There has been a loooooong time available to be a long time lurker! :)
 
But that's a great assessment, I'd say. It's stagnation that is the real problem. The team has accumulated X-hundred points over those 5 years, and whatever that number X is, it's probably in the top-N of the NHL (where N probably looks like a pretty good number - Bergevin would probably like to quote it in his post-season press conference).
 
But nothing has really progressed. And the kiss of death is that there isn't really any indication that progression is imminent. There aren't tons of good young players who look ready to break out, there isn't a farm system brimming with top prospects. Sure there are *some* good youngsters around and on the way (I really like Lehkonen). But every team has *some*. You need to have LOTS to really get a good optimism going.
 
And until the team gets the Price and Radulov situations sorted out, you can even imagine it being on the brink of a collapse. The team can't score it's way out of a wet paper bag, and losing Radulov would be a big setback.
 
You don't have to fall off very far these days for it to seem like a disaster. The Habs finished #1 in their division with 103 pts. And Tampa Bay missed the playoffs with 94... just a 9-pt swing. 4 wins and a tie. The non-playoff teams are going to be pushing hard to step up. The Habs can't afford to lose a single step, yet it seems like a definite risk.
 
I don't get a sense that they even perceive the risk, really?
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: May 17 01:33PM -0700

I think his lack of flexibility may come from the front office staff he surrounded himself with. Does he need a consensus from his group before making moves?
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: May 17 02:32PM -0700

I can imagine all his ex-players and macho men basically being an echo chamber that doesn't really affect much. Who knows. The advanced stats kid who didn't like the idea of the Subban trade sure didn't survive long.
 
l8r,
Gerry
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