Digest for alt.sports.football.pro.sf-49ers@googlegroups.com - 7 updates in 5 topics

Sunday, April 30, 2017

John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>: Apr 30 01:22PM -1000

How 49ers' additions during draft fit into the big picture
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/how-49ers-additions-during-draft-fit-big-picture
Benard Atkins <batkins700@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:46PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 4:22:20 PM UTC-7, John Walsh wrote:
> How 49ers' additions during draft fit into the big picture
> http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/how-49ers-additions-during-draft-fit-big-picture
 
I like this, because it is the opposite of Trent Baalke and
his so called team philosophy.
John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>: Apr 30 12:13PM -1000

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:30:33 -0700 (PDT), Benard Atkins
 
>http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-draft-chicago-bears-mitchell-trubisky-skip-bayless-shannon-sharpe-042817
 
>Great sports talk people? No, but this is hilarious.
 
Buffalo topped that by firing their GM and the whole scouting staff.
Sometimes you just have to wait a bit before another good one comes
along. :)
Benard Atkins <batkins700@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:42PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-7, John Walsh wrote:
 
> Buffalo topped that by firing their GM and the whole scouting staff.
> Sometimes you just have to wait a bit before another good one comes
> along. :)
 
Competent front office people are a must. The 49ers learned
this the hard way.
John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>: Apr 30 12:18PM -1000

KD Cannon, WR, Baylor

JP Flynn, OL, Montana State

Jimmie Gilbert, LB, Colorado

Lorenzo Jerome, S, Saint Francis

Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan

Darrell Williams, OT, Western Kentucky

Jihaad Pretlow, DB, Fordham

Cole Hikutini, TE, Louisville

Donavin Newsom, LB, Missouri

Victor Bolden, WR, Oregon State

Matt Breida, RB, Georgia Southern

Nick Mullen, QB, Southern Mississippi

Kendrick Bourne, WR, Eastern Washington
Benard Atkins <batkins700@gmail.com>: Apr 30 12:31PM -0700

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article147727609.html
"The Eeyores" <eeyores@broncos.com>: Apr 30 09:19AM +0200

In article <cbccfb58-4bdf-4a0a-ab97-
20651cceba7f@googlegroups.com>
 
> http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/4/29/15437854/49ers-draft-pick-cj-beathard-head-coach-kyle-shanahan
 
I think you got a win with that one.
 
Saw that guy thow an 85 yard TD once, nearly 70 of it in the
air. He's decisive, got good vision, good touch, and he can
move better than Kaepernick.
 
He does have confidence and makes the occasional mistake, but he
makes up for it.
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Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 7 updates in 3 topics

Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Apr 30 09:57AM -0400

Chuck wrote:
 
> "excessive". Players who have been around long enough to
> have disdain for players who do not hesitate to show off
> their enthusiasm for the game, should retire.
 
One of the commentators based in Washington that was on
Sirius yesterday afternoon specifically called out NBC
for making Milbury the face of hockey commentary for the
US market. He specifically mentioned the PK comment Milbury
made and said until NBC replaces the old school types
it will cloud the perception of hockey for much of the
audience.
 
Yes, NHL hockey is a business, but the players got into
hockey as kids because they enjoyed it. And most still
do. How many coaches have we heard of that tell their
players to "go out and have fun" in a big game? A lot.
 
Do we really want a modern equivalent of the old Red Army
team that were trained to act like robots on and off the ice?
 
I sure don't. I want to get the impression that the guys
out there, while understanding the importance of the playoff
games, *are* having fun and showing it when they score a
big goal or win a big game.
 
Geez! Milbury and his ilk are the problems, not PK or
or Burns or Pageau or any of the other players who are
not only doing their jobs during the game, but *entertaining*
the crowds and fans.
 
For me, I've been muting the sound of the NBC broadcasts and
listening to the play-by-play, commentary, and in-game
interviews from the hometown radio guys on Sirius. I don't
have to listen to Milbury, JR, or McGuire and enjoy the
games much, much more.
 
Clean house, NBC. There are LOTS of retired players out there
who are more insightful, knowledgeable, articulate, informative,
and entertaining the the slobs you've got on there now. Quit
hiring based on their nationality and try hiring based on
ABILITY for a change.
 
Nyssa, who was two-for-two in her picks yesterday
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Apr 30 11:24AM -0300

They ran Milbury out of Canuckistan because of his yap. I am surprised
he has hung on as long as he has in the USA
 
TMA
 
Nyssa wrote:
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Apr 30 07:32AM -0700

When Roenick used to do stuff like that, it always seemed to get positive reaction, no?
 
l8r,
Gerry
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Apr 30 11:14AM -0400

Gerry wrote:
 
> to get positive reaction, no?
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Not from me.
 
I could never stand Roenick when he played, and if anything he's
even more irritating now.
 
Nyssa, who wonders if a few of the articulate and knowledgeable
ex-goalies floating around would be interested in a job at NBC
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Apr 30 09:33AM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-4, Nyssa wrote:
> hiring based on their nationality and try hiring based on
> ABILITY for a change.
 
> Nyssa, who was two-for-two in her picks yesterday
 
I find all announcers on hockey broadcasts stale and boring. Never ending old school cliche's about "how the game should be played" No one ever goes against the grain. For a brief moment, when Rogers won the Hockey broadcast rights, I had hoped they would clean house and come up with a new fresh broadcast team. Silly me. They just grabbed up the contracts of all the dinosaurs employed by Hockey Night in Canada and changed NOTHING :(
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Apr 30 11:36AM -0300

Another great regular season, another playoff flop by the looks of it. I
have to admit that given the talent on that team over the years it
really is amazing to see them collapse every year. While we lament Max
"Casper" Pacioretty's annual disappearance I can only imagine the
pitchforks and torches that would be present in Montreal if we were
watching this collapse for the umpteenth time. It certainly is time to
give up on that core.
 
Meanwhile Pageau gets 4 goals last night which leaves me wondering - who
is our Pageau if the Habs return with the same lineup next year? Not
even May yet and I'm already losing hope for next year.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Apr 30 07:29AM -0700

Hey, this was their best season... after 5 years of missing the playoffs, they even won a playoff game this year before getting bounced!
 
But seriously, that staff has to go. Sometimes they've had good prospects, sometimes a few good minor league vets, but I would say that by and large the Habs haven't done a great job of stocking the team either. The roster that just finished the playoffs now, you've got the following:
 
NHL prospects: De La Rose, McCarron, Hudon, Scherbak, Lindgren, *maybe* Lernout
 
... so ok, 6 actual NHL prospects on your farm team. The number varies from team to team in the league, it feels a little on the low side to me atm for the Habs. Maybe 2 or 3 of those actually make the NHL?
 
Then fwiw, the rest of the team that played in the playoffs...
 
Quality AHL veterans: Terry, Redmond, Friberg, Matteau, Farnham, Hanley, Danis
 
Longshot prospects: Audette, MacMillan, Didier
 
Roster filler: Camara, Lowe, Petti, Brouillette, Veilleux
 
And a variety of healthy scratches and others. It seems to me like the team has had a lot of filler... guys on PTOs or who were cast off from other AHL teams, etc, over the years. I guess many AHL teams also feature that element, however in an ideal world it would be nice to think you had actual prospects (longshot ones to be sure) on the ECHL affiliate who could be called up instead. Other than Fucale, the Habs don't seem to use their Brampton affiliation very much (Crisp and Thrower are there too).
 
That they've left a dismally unsuccessful coaching staff in place on the farm for so long speaks to what I feel is a general state of neglect for their minor league development approach overall. It's not a huge deal in and of itself, but when nitpicking through the wreckage of another lost season, I think it's worth a mention. It's not like they are alone in the NHL in terms of not running a strong minor league development program. But it's obviously an area which could be improved.
 
l8r,
Gerry
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Digest for rec.sport.pro-wrestling@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 10 topics

me <mooseheadjack13@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:43PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 1:47:57 AM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> Lol ask god
 
No such thing
" %" <persent@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:41PM -0700

.
 
kicked the entire snot out of the robby
MrL0bstr <newl0bstr@aol.com>: Apr 30 07:24AM -0700

Nah, he always shoots blanks!
RAW is AWOR <aworio2014@gmail.com>: Apr 30 01:58PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:24:45 AM UTC-4, MrL0bstr wrote:
> Nah, he always shoots blanks!
 
LOL!! BUMPOLA!!
Scott Oof <scott@oof.org>: Apr 30 01:38PM -0400

Stickler was too cowardly to show up to fight Lisa's dad. Typical
sackless Trump-sucker.
 
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robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Apr 30 12:20PM -0700

Lisa didn't cum
" %" <persent@gmail.com>: Apr 30 12:32PM -0700

robert stickler wrote:
> Lisa didn't cum
 
did she go
robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Apr 30 01:07PM -0700

Yeah did Lisa go?
The Brunei Bindlestiff <unifarva@gmail.com>: Apr 30 08:25AM -0700

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 10:48:37 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> I know
 
everything you know is wrong
" %" <persent@gmail.com>: Apr 30 10:29AM -0700

The Brunei Bindlestiff wrote:
> wrote:
>> I know
 
> everything you know is wrong
 
the farva zings the robby with a blunt gun
robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Apr 30 12:20PM -0700

Unifarva has no job
" %" <persent@gmail.com>: Apr 30 12:32PM -0700

robert stickler wrote:
> Unifarva has no job
 
he doesn't need one because he can quote the text
robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Apr 30 01:06PM -0700

What?
mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie>: Apr 30 02:06PM -0400

On 4/29/2017 9:20 PM, robert stickler wrote:
> For beef?
 
Cow hunters practice catch and release north of Connecticut because the
cows are needed to keep the mangers warm.
" %" <persent@gmail.com>: Apr 30 11:32AM -0700

mixed nuts wrote:
>> For beef?
 
> Cow hunters practice catch and release north of Connecticut because
> the cows are needed to keep the mangers warm.
 
up here we wait until they are sleeping and then tip them over
mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie>: Apr 30 03:16PM -0400

On 4/30/2017 2:32 PM, % wrote:
 
>> Cow hunters practice catch and release north of Connecticut because
>> the cows are needed to keep the mangers warm.
 
> up here we wait until they are sleeping and then tip them over
 
You can get away with that when they're on the ground but don't try it
when they're sleeping in the trees or on the roof.
 
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" %" <persent@gmail.com>: Apr 30 12:22PM -0700

mixed nuts wrote:
 
> You can get away with that when they're on the ground but don't try
> it
> when they're sleeping in the trees or on the roof.
 
they're ok going up stairs but try to get one to go down
hobbyfan@yahoo.com: Apr 30 03:07AM -0700

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> Who?
 
Country singer. Billy can't spell it right on purpose.
The Brunei Bindlestiff <unifarva@gmail.com>: Apr 30 08:24AM -0700

> On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> > Who?
 
> Country singer. Billy can't spell it right on purpose.
 
9m an eclectic individual
robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Apr 30 12:21PM -0700

Billy ray Cyrus?
mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie>: Apr 30 12:24PM -0400

On 4/30/2017 12:22 AM, Jason Todd!!! wrote:
 
>> Trump has stated numerous times that those are for the comfort of
>> his guests
 
> And you believe that.
 
These aren't poor people with inferior genes. When you have superior
genes, you need special comfort stuff so you won't be sad and be unable
to create many many very very good jobs (terrific jobs).
 
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"Aldrichtom" <Aldrichtom@stilllost.com>: Apr 30 08:14PM


> These aren't poor people with inferior genes. When you have superior
> genes, you need special comfort stuff so you won't be sad and be unable
> to create many many very very good jobs (terrific jobs).
 
Thank you!
About time some one here sees the light.
"Aldrichtom" <Aldrichtom@stilllost.com>: Apr 30 10:14AM

http://rare.us/rare-news/two-televangelists-explain-why-they-need-private-jets-in-their-lives-get-your-popcorn-ready/
mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie>: Apr 30 11:10AM -0400

On 4/29/2017 9:17 PM, robert stickler wrote:
> No
 
So you'll keep the Gulfstream G650 and the Bentleys and let Obama put
him in the slammer and force him to study the Koran so he can't bring
the lord's miracles to the world as written in the bible?
 
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"Aldrichtom" <Aldrichtom@stilllost.com>: Apr 30 10:17AM

Oops! your upset again.
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Digest for rec.sport.tennis@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 11 topics

Fota <contactwellesnet@gmail.com>: Apr 30 02:42PM -0700

About 28, if I'm calculating correctly.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:39PM -0700

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:42:49 AM UTC+10, Fota wrote:
> About 28, if I'm calculating correctly.
 
28.5. The oldest guy in top 30 is Karlovic at 38, amazing for a guy who many says only has a serve and he won more than 8 mil. If the thing stay as they are right now 17 of top 30 will be over 30.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Apr 30 08:48PM +0200


> Oh you are speaking on Fed's behalf now?
 
> An OG is an OG is an OG (as Chretien used to say).
 
Let's not fool each others.
It's almost as good, but not the same.
 
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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Apr 30 01:11PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 12:07:51 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> >He has an OG
 
> not that singles one he wanted.
 
> bob
 
I guess Federer will just have to comfort himself with the slam record and weeks @ #1 record! It's a tough job but somebody has to do it!
 
I do agree with you that an OG in doubles isn't the same as an OG in singles but let's not pretend any OG has the same value as any slam win. I think the AO 2017 win was worth more than an endless number of OGs.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Apr 30 09:38PM -0400

On 4/30/2017 4:11 PM, Court_1 wrote:
 
> singles but let's not pretend any OG has the same value as any slam
> win. I think the AO 2017 win was worth more than an endless
> number of OGs.
 
Agreed. But bob likes to pretend... :)
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:10PM -0700

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 5:01:02 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:

> But on a whole, you get a sense of a player's presence when you
> count all major titles he laid his hands on.
 
Federer has 90 and 50 of those are biggies, thank you.
 
 
> Slams are like 90% of everything. Djokovic and Federer missing
> Olympics or Nadal and Laver not winning YEC is kinda talked
 
18 and counting. May he win more! Olympics are best of three until the final. It's OK if Federer doesn't have a singles OG.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 01 03:27AM +0200


>> But on a whole, you get a sense of a player's presence when you
>> count all major titles he laid his hands on.
 
> Federer has 90 and 50 of those are biggies, thank you.
 
 
No, that's incomparable to past greats.
 
 
 
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RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:04PM -0700

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:18:50 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> Who benefits from this trope?
 
> The dogs don't seem to be eating the dog food. ;)
 
Nadal is 'out of sorts'.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Apr 30 06:02PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 12:07:04 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> >Maybe you should relax your underestimation of his talent!
 
> it's not his talent, it's his age and the fact he had to go through
> peak djokovic, fed and even murray for his slams.
 
I am talking about his talent on clay! He can win one now and possibly next year. His wins on HC have been sparse, not much to do with Djok and co.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Apr 30 05:58PM -0700

What's funny is Macron's attempt, with the complicity of the MSM and Big Money,
to position himself as an 'outsider'. Let's see: Worked for Rothchilds, attended
the Bilderberg Conference, and was the hapless Hollande's Finance Minister.
 
Sounds like an outsider to me... /s
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Apr 30 12:50PM -0700

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 6:04:24 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> that's absolutely right. his FH is far weaker than it used to be. (1)
> many more errors (2) far less topspin.
 
But in the AO final Nadal's fh was excellent. It wasn't as good at IW and Miami.
Federer won the AO because he went for it in the fifth set and had no fear. There is no question that Fed's improved bh and his lack of fear can get the job done vs Nadal(off clay at least.)
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Apr 30 01:03PM -0700

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 6:08:25 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> i'll get slammed for this again, but fed hasn't "figured out rafa."
 
Yes he has. Improved bh plus lack of fear which paralyzed him in the past.
 

> people to rate fed, djok, murray and rafa's overall level on a 1-100
> scale compared to the best tennis of the past 15 yrs. nope, they all
> know what i've got in store for them once they do.
 
The fact is that off clay if Federer had made the changes to his bh then that he has made today (taking it earlier and not slicing), that would have probably made the difference at Wimbledon 2008 and AO 2009 vs Nadal. Federer also had too much fear when playing Nadal in those days because of all of those clay beatings. Federer is the greater player off clay than Nadal is. It's not rocket science. I'm sure Nadal's mother and Uncle Toni would admit same.
 
Nadal is looking back to close to his best on clay and should win RG this year (so no excuses if Federer comes into RG and somehow miraculously beats this Nadal.)
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Apr 30 01:21PM -0700

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 3:00:29 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
> But can Federer beat Nadal in best of five at the FO? I'd be astounded if he could do that.
 
Probably not, especially not without the clay practice. But seeing how Nadal is on a tear on his favorite surface should put to rest any of the "Nadal is a shadow of his former self" nonsense. He may not be at his best level but he is definitely not that far off. Federer should be feeling very good about his new game plan that has resulted in 3 victories, two of them pretty resounding, against this Nadal.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Apr 30 03:43PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 1:21:56 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> Probably not, especially not without the clay practice. But seeing how Nadal is on a tear on his favorite surface should put to rest any of the "Nadal is a shadow of his former self" nonsense. He may not be at his best level but he is definitely not that far off. Federer should be feeling very good about his new game plan that has resulted in 3 victories, two of them pretty resounding, against this Nadal.
 
 
Good summary. That's how I see it as well.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Apr 30 04:29PM -0700

> Good summary. That's how I see it as well.
 
Me too but this Roger is playing fear free enjoying himself playing every part of his game and talent. I wouldn't be surprised if he beats Nadal in the FO provided he had 3-4 matches on clay.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 01 02:14AM +0200

> On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 3:00:29 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
>> But can Federer beat Nadal in best of five at the FO? I'd be astounded if he could do that.
 
> Probably not, especially not without the clay practice. But seeing how Nadal is on a tear on his favorite surface should put to rest any of the "Nadal is a shadow of his former self" nonsense. He may not be at his best level but he is definitely not that far off. Federer should be feeling very good about his new game plan that has resulted in 3 victories, two of them pretty resounding, against this Nadal.
 
There is a difference though. Obviouosy Nadal is improving as we
speak playing on clay.
 
Remember he got crushed by Raonic and Querrey
on hardcourt.
 
 
Plus, imo the most important thing, not playing against Federer
for such a long period made him bit rusty in that big match. He
had patches of stupid play.
 
Whisper is right that these guys crave for tune up practice and
self confidence before big matches.
 
 
 
That's why imo, I don't think Murray and Djokovic would challenge
Nadal at FO. Not enough time for them to raise their games to
very high level that's needed.
 
Only Nadal can harm himself now by overplaying or injuring himself.
 
 
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Apr 30 05:51PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > Probably not, especially not without the clay practice. But seeing how Nadal is on a tear on his favorite surface should put to rest any of the "Nadal is a shadow of his former self" nonsense. He may not be at his best level but he is definitely not that far off. Federer should be feeling very good about his new game plan that has resulted in 3 victories, two of them pretty resounding, against this Nadal.
 
> There is a difference though. Obviouosy Nadal is improving as we
> speak playing on clay.
 
Funny how Nadal always miraculously improves on clay. Maybe he just isn't as good on the other surfaces?
 
> Remember he got crushed by Raonic and Querrey
> on hardcourt.
 
He has lost to guys he should not have lost to during his peak as well (only on surfaces other than clay)
 
 
> Plus, imo the most important thing, not playing against Federer
> for such a long period made him bit rusty in that big match. He
> had patches of stupid play.
If anything, I think it was Roger who suffered from rust during that match. It should not have gone 5, he was the better player throughout. He improved as he continued playing tournaments.
 
 
> That's why imo, I don't think Murray and Djokovic would challenge
> Nadal at FO. Not enough time for them to raise their games to
> very high level that's needed.
Djokovic has rope-a-doped before, but yes, at this moment Nadal is the overwhelming favorite.
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acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Apr 30 11:19PM

If there is a "crisis" over North Korea, it was precipitated by us a
long time ago.
 
First, we sent troops to the Korean peninsula and fought the Koreans
and pushed the battleground all the way up to the Chinese border.
 
It was one of the first hegemonic acts of the U.S.
 
In response, China under Mao decided to send volunteers and fight
with the Koreans that the US army fought against. It ended with a
truce at the 38th parallel north and the division of Korea.
 
Yet, the US government refused to sign a peace treaty, thus giving
itself an excuse to station US troops in South Korea ad aeternum.
 
There was an opening, in the 1990s, for the much desired unification
of Korea, similar to that of Germany. And there arose the "Sunshine
Policy" in South Korea.
 
The Sunshine Policy was the foreign policy of South Korea towards
North Korea from 1998 to 2008.
 
In the year 1988 the South Korean President at the time chose the
name Sunshine Policy after Aesop's Fable which was about the north
wind and the sun. This was meant to soften North Korea's attitude
towards South Korea. Even though the name came from Aesop's Fable
the idea was based on the traditional Korean ways of dealing with
enemies by giving them gifts to prevent them from causing harm.
 
Even the Scandinavians were working to encourage the reproachment by
giving a Nobel Peace prize to South Korea's Kim Dae-jung.
 
But George W Bush wouldn't let the sun shine over the country. He
actively intervened to make South Korea scrub the policy and declared
North Korea a member of his "axis of evil" in connection of his "War
on Terror" (see his State of the Union speech in 2002).
 
What terrorism has North Korea committed? Washington is long on the
narrative about the Kims being "mad men", starving and torturing his
people, etc, etc. But it's short on evidence.
 
So, Bush nixed the Korean hope of reunification. Then the worthless
Obama, who was so eager to earn his $400,000 per speech retirement
benefit that he further intensified the temperature over the Korean
peninsula.
 
Obama inaugurated his Asian pivot! The act was and is aimed at China
and Russia in the Far East, just as stationing the trooops on the 38th
parallel was aimed at those then-communist countries.
 
Obama further signed a deal to deploy a THAAD system in S Korea, on a
golf course outside of Seoul, ostensibly to protect the Korean people
from attack of the mad man from the north.
 
But of course, not even the South Koreans believe it. It is a system
mainly aimed at China and Russia - and that's why those two countries
are so nervous about it.
 
Again and again, the politicians in Washington and their propaganda
arm are insisting that North Korea has threatened the world. Is it
backed up by facts?
 
A desire to be able to defend yourself and make your home secure is
natural to all living and conscious organisms. Why shouldn't any
living and breathing and thinking creature want to live? Who wants to
be the next Saddam or Qaddafi? Who want to be savagely murdered and
then your executioner be laughing it off before the whole world?
 
And certainly, a "smart cookie" knows that a deterrent is to keep
those who have any idea about doing you in from trying and not to use
it except when your enemy is about to take you out. A deterrent is a
counterpunch device. A smart cookie, especially a small one, does not
counterpunch unless you strike him first. A smart cookie is not the
crazie that his enemies are painting him.
 
Before we first had nukes, we conducted extensive trials. Before we
had ICBMs, we tested and tested their precursors and had many failures
too. Likewise, before Russia (or the Soviet Union before it) and
China had their first workable ones, they also conducted extensive
trial launches. The UK, France, Israel, Pakistan, ..., also did
exactly the same thing. What the UK did to the Solomon Islands is
sacrilegious to Mother Nature in fact.
 
And, except for the United States, no countries who have the nukes
today and the delivery capabilities, have used them. And since having
nukes and nuke-delivery capabilitires are self-defense tools, it makes
no sense to tell a country it must be destroyed for trying to secure
itself from external harm.
 
If France, e.g., is not held to the same standard we are judging North
Korea by, then the standard won't be respected. And that's why it is
causing so much commotion when Washington is moving nuclear submarines
and aircraft carriers to the Korean coast for a possible attack.
 
And that's why the THAAD system is such a provocation to North Korea,
and China and Russia. All these cannot be good news to all three
countries. They are in Washington's cross-hairs and they know it.
 
If North Korea falls, it is not because of a possible refugee crisis
China fears. It is that China will see itself as the next Syria at
the time when Libya was about to fall. It is not in China's own
interest to survive if it listens to John Bolton's mad invitation to
help hasten North Korea's fall. And that's why no sane government
would see kindly what we do if we attack North Korea for simply
testing a nuke or launching an ICBM in order to acquire a deterrent.
 
John Bolton:
"There is a deal here, not based on Pyongyang renouncing its
nuclear program, but on China and America ending the North's threat
by peacefully ending the North.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
What Bolton is saying to China is essentially:
"Here is a knife, you `end' the North or you will be worse off if we
take actions".
 
You know, when Imperial Japan was lording over China in the first half
of the 20th century, it exploded the train that carried the Chinese
general Zhang Zuo-Lin to eliminate him. Why? For not working hard
enough for the Japanese interests in China.
 
Should Beijing not remember the "huanggutun incident" of 1928/06/04?
 
Besides, if there will be a refugee crisis arising from the Korean
peninsula being attacked from the outside, it will be refugees heading
to the south and then very likely from the south to the United States.
 
If we Americans worry about terrorism, this will be it! Attacking NK
will radicalize the Korean people, north and south. We will further
terrorism the same way we did by attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,
Yemen, and Syria. John Bolton is cynical and crazy. And Israel's
defense minister would do well to call Bolton a "madman" instead of
calling Kim such.
 
In an interview with Hebrew news site Walla this week, [Israeli
Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman stated that North Korea's leader
Kim Jong-un is a "madman" in charge of a "crazy and radical group"
which is "undermining global stability".
 
lo yeeOn
 
------------------------------------------
 
John Bolton: China's choice on North Korea
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/04/28/john-bolton-choice-up-to-china-editorials-debates/101044758/
 
John Bolton 7:18 p.m. ET April 28, 2017
 
Reuniting Korea, essentially by the South peacefully absorbing the
North, is in both of our best interests.
 
Only one non-military alternative now exists: convincing China that
reuniting Korea, essentially by the South peacefully absorbing the
North, is in both of our best interests.
 
China fears that truly applying its enormous economic leverage would
collapse the Pyongyang regime, resulting in millions of refugees
flowing into China, and American troops positioned on the Yalu
River. Washington can assure Beijing that we (and Seoul) also fear
massive refugee flows, and would work with China to stabilize the
North's population as its government disintegrated, and provide
humanitarian assistance. And China can rest assured we don't want
U.S. forces on the Yalu, but instead want them near Pusan, available
for rapid deployment across Asia.
 
In Korea, no pre-emptive strike: Our view
 
There is a deal here, not based on Pyongyang renouncing its nuclear
program, but on China and America ending the North's threat by
peacefully ending the North.
 
Ironically, a pre-emptive U.S. attack would likely have the
consequences Beijing fears: regime collapse, huge refugee flows and
U.S. flags flying along the Yalu River. China can do it the easier way
or the harder way: It's their choice. Time is growing short.
 
John Bolton is a former U.S. ambassador to the U.N.
 
-----
 
US talk about Koreas draws China silence, dispute from Seoul
By christopher bodeen and youkyung lee, associated BEIJING
press Apr 28, 2017, 6:53 AM ET
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-confirm-us-claim-pressure-north-korea-47076573
 
U.S. assertions about the Koreas drew silence Friday in Beijing, which
refused to confirm it was turning up pressure on North Korea, and
consternation in Seoul, which dismissed President Donald Trump's claim
that he would get South Korea to renegotiate a trade deal and make it
pay for a missile defense system.
 
. . .
 
In a separate statement, South Korea's defense ministry said there is
no change in its plan under which the U.S. covers the cost for
operating THAAD, now being deployed in the country's southeast. Under
an agreement reached during the administration of Trump's predecessor,
Barack Obama, South Korea offers the land and facilities for THAAD but
not the cost of operations, the Defense Ministry said.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Apr 30 04:21PM -0700

Obama again? Obama is not the president.
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Apr 30 11:23PM

If there is a "crisis" over North Korea, it was precipitated by us a
long time ago.
 
First, we sent troops to the Korean peninsula and fought the Koreans
and pushed the battleground all the way up to the Chinese border.
 
It was one of the first hegemonic acts of the U.S.
 
In response, China under Mao decided to send volunteers and fight
with the Koreans that the US army fought against. It ended with a
truce at the 38th parallel north and the division of Korea.
 
Yet, the US government refused to sign a peace treaty, thus giving
itself an excuse to station US troops in South Korea ad aeternum.
 
There was an opening, in the 1990s, for the much desired unification
of Korea, similar to that of Germany. And there arose the "Sunshine
Policy" in South Korea.
 
The Sunshine Policy was the foreign policy of South Korea towards
North Korea from 1998 to 2008.
 
In the year 1988 the South Korean President at the time chose the
name Sunshine Policy after Aesop's Fable which was about the north
wind and the sun. This was meant to soften North Korea's attitude
towards South Korea. Even though the name came from Aesop's Fable
the idea was based on the traditional Korean ways of dealing with
enemies by giving them gifts to prevent them from causing harm.
 
Even the Scandinavians were working to encourage the reproachment by
giving a Nobel Peace prize to South Korea's Kim Dae-jung.
 
But George W Bush wouldn't let the sun shine over the country. He
actively intervened to make South Korea scrub the policy and declared
North Korea a member of his "axis of evil" in connection of his "War
on Terror" (see his State of the Union speech in 2002).
 
What terrorism has North Korea committed? Washington is long on the
narrative about the Kims being "mad men", starving and torturing his
people, etc, etc. But it's short on evidence.
 
So, Bush nixed the Korean hope of reunification. Then the worthless
Obama, who was so eager to earn his $400,000 per speech retirement
benefit that he further intensified the temperature over the Korean
peninsula.
 
Obama inaugurated his Asian pivot! The act was and is aimed at China
and Russia in the Far East, just as stationing the trooops on the 38th
parallel was aimed at those then-communist countries.
 
Obama further signed a deal to deploy a THAAD system in S Korea, on a
golf course outside of Seoul, ostensibly to protect the Korean people
from attack of the mad man from the north.
 
But of course, not even the South Koreans believe it. It is a system
mainly aimed at China and Russia - and that's why those two countries
are so nervous about it.
 
Again and again, the politicians in Washington and their propaganda
arm are insisting that North Korea has threatened the world. Is it
backed up by facts?
 
A desire to be able to defend yourself and make your home secure is
natural to all living and conscious organisms. Why shouldn't any
living and breathing and thinking creature want to live? Who wants to
be the next Saddam or Qaddafi? Who want to be savagely murdered and
then your executioner be laughing it off before the whole world?
 
And certainly, a "smart cookie" knows that a deterrent is to keep
those who have any idea about doing you in from trying and not to use
it except when your enemy is about to take you out. A deterrent is a
counterpunch device. A smart cookie, especially a small one, does not
counterpunch unless you strike him first. A smart cookie is not the
crazie that his enemies are painting him.
 
Before we first had nukes, we conducted extensive trials. Before we
had ICBMs, we tested and tested their precursors and had many failures
too. Likewise, before Russia (or the Soviet Union before it) and
China had their first workable ones, they also conducted extensive
trial launches. The UK, France, Israel, Pakistan, ..., also did
exactly the same thing. What the UK did to the Solomon Islands is
sacrilegious to Mother Nature in fact.
 
And, except for the United States, no countries who have the nukes
today and the delivery capabilities, have used them. And since having
nukes and nuke-delivery capabilitires are self-defense tools, it makes
no sense to tell a country it must be destroyed for trying to secure
itself from external harm.
 
If France, e.g., is not held to the same standard we are judging North
Korea by, then the standard won't be respected. And that's why it is
causing so much commotion when Washington is moving nuclear submarines
and aircraft carriers to the Korean coast for a possible attack.
 
And that's why the THAAD system is such a provocation to North Korea,
and China and Russia. All these cannot be good news to all three
countries. They are in Washington's cross-hairs and they know it.
 
If North Korea falls, it is not because of a possible refugee crisis
China fears. It is that China will see itself as the next Syria at
the time when Libya was about to fall. It is not in China's own
interest to survive if it listens to John Bolton's mad invitation to
help hasten North Korea's fall. And that's why no sane government
would see kindly what we do if we attack North Korea for simply
testing a nuke or launching an ICBM in order to acquire a deterrent.
 
John Bolton:
"There is a deal here, not based on Pyongyang renouncing its
nuclear program, but on China and America ending the North's threat
by peacefully ending the North.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
What Bolton is saying to China is essentially:
"Here is a knife, you `end' the North or you will be worse off if we
take actions".
 
You know, when Imperial Japan was lording over China in the first half
of the 20th century, it exploded the train that carried the Chinese
general Zhang Zuo-Lin to eliminate him. Why? For not working hard
enough for the Japanese interests in China.
 
Should Beijing not remember the "huanggutun incident" of 1928/06/04?
 
Besides, if there will be a refugee crisis arising from the Korean
peninsula being attacked from the outside, it will be refugees heading
to the south and then very likely from the south to the United States.
 
If we Americans worry about terrorism, this will be it! Attacking NK
will radicalize the Korean people, north and south. We will further
terrorism the same way we did by attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,
Yemen, and Syria. John Bolton is cynical and crazy. And Israel's
defense minister would do well to call Bolton a "madman" instead of
calling Kim such.
 
In an interview with Hebrew news site Walla this week, [Israeli
Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman stated that North Korea's leader
Kim Jong-un is a "madman" in charge of a "crazy and radical group"
which is "undermining global stability".
 
lo yeeOn
 
------------------------------------------
 
John Bolton: China's choice on North Korea
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/04/28/john-bolton-choice-up-to-china-editorials-debates/101044758/
 
John Bolton 7:18 p.m. ET April 28, 2017
 
Reuniting Korea, essentially by the South peacefully absorbing the
North, is in both of our best interests.
 
Only one non-military alternative now exists: convincing China that
reuniting Korea, essentially by the South peacefully absorbing the
North, is in both of our best interests.
 
China fears that truly applying its enormous economic leverage would
collapse the Pyongyang regime, resulting in millions of refugees
flowing into China, and American troops positioned on the Yalu
River. Washington can assure Beijing that we (and Seoul) also fear
massive refugee flows, and would work with China to stabilize the
North's population as its government disintegrated, and provide
humanitarian assistance. And China can rest assured we don't want
U.S. forces on the Yalu, but instead want them near Pusan, available
for rapid deployment across Asia.
 
In Korea, no pre-emptive strike: Our view
 
There is a deal here, not based on Pyongyang renouncing its nuclear
program, but on China and America ending the North's threat by
peacefully ending the North.
 
Ironically, a pre-emptive U.S. attack would likely have the
consequences Beijing fears: regime collapse, huge refugee flows and
U.S. flags flying along the Yalu River. China can do it the easier way
or the harder way: It's their choice. Time is growing short.
 
John Bolton is a former U.S. ambassador to the U.N.
 
-----
 
US talk about Koreas draws China silence, dispute from Seoul
By christopher bodeen and youkyung lee, associated BEIJING
press Apr 28, 2017, 6:53 AM ET
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-confirm-us-claim-pressure-north-korea-47076573
 
U.S. assertions about the Koreas drew silence Friday in Beijing, which
refused to confirm it was turning up pressure on North Korea, and
consternation in Seoul, which dismissed President Donald Trump's claim
that he would get South Korea to renegotiate a trade deal and make it
pay for a missile defense system.
 
. . .
 
In a separate statement, South Korea's defense ministry said there is
no change in its plan under which the U.S. covers the cost for
operating THAAD, now being deployed in the country's southeast. Under
an agreement reached during the administration of Trump's predecessor,
Barack Obama, South Korea offers the land and facilities for THAAD but
not the cost of operations, the Defense Ministry said.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Apr 30 04:24PM -0700

Yes. I don't understand why Republinutters can keep bringing up Hillary and Obama who are no longer in the picture.
 
Republicans you are in power now. Act now instead of complaining
grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com>: Apr 30 10:32PM +0100

On 29/04/2017 10:09, *skriptis wrote:
> A mega spectacle tonight. Highest boxing attendance in England ever.
 
That was a helluva fight. Well done Joshua!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4453520/Boxer-Anthony-Joshua-hasn-t-bad-himself.html
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Apr 30 08:21PM +0100

On 30/04/2017 17:02, bob wrote:
>> dormant while I'm awake. I also see Fox News' Twitter too, among others.
 
> you do realize i'm using CNN as a representative for all the1 sided
> mainstream media you do use, while refusing to hear the opposition.
 
I do realise that I'm wasting my time here, but I can afford to, and it
really matters little to me what goes on in the next 1,360 or so days.
Thankfully he's not my president.
 
 
 
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bmoore@nyx.net: Apr 30 01:14PM -0700

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 12:21:31 PM UTC-7, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
> I do realise that I'm wasting my time here, but I can afford to, and it
> really matters little to me what goes on in the next 1,360 or so days.
> Thankfully he's not my president.
 
For most of us it won't matter much unless he causes a war or something.
 
BTW, I don't think all news outlets are "the same" as some do here. That's sloppy thinking. And insinuating that people who think Trump is awful are "sheep" is more of the same.
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