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Tuesday, February 28, 2017

$Bill <news@todbe.com>: Feb 24 05:16PM -0800

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$Bill <news@todbe.com>: Feb 23 05:59PM -0800

# Early away game with Lou missing - little chance of a W here.
 
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$Bill <news@todbe.com>: Feb 23 04:39AM -0800

2/21/17 Magic Johnson announced as new President of Basketball Operations.
2/21/17 Mitch Kupchak, Jim Buss and John Black fired.
2/21/17 Lou Williams traded to Houston for Corey Brewer and a first-rounder.
(not sure if it's 2018 or restricted/variable or what)
 
Talk of trying to acquire Paul George going on.
 
Rob Pelinka to replace Kupchak - not sure if that's cement yet.
 
Brewer, who was drafted seventh overall in 2007 out of Florida, is averaging a career-low 4.2 points this season to go along with two rebounds and 1.1 assists. The Lakers will be the fifth team of his NBA career.
The pick is projected 27th with the Rockets currently holding the fourth-best record in the NBA.
 
They pick up this loser and trade our best player for a late 1st round draft pick?
Last summer they picked up two (apparent) losers and gave them expensive 4 year contracts.
I'm not sure I get it.
$Bill <news@todbe.com>: Feb 24 07:26PM -0800

Lakers got 101 shots off, but at 40% it turned into 93 with FTs. They needed a
tad better shooting, a tad better D and a few less TOs to be right in the mix.
6 guys in DFs with Randle getting the lone DD (Randle hasn't looked good to me
since the pneumonia thing). Lou was missed - by me if nobody else.
93-110 Lakers lose by 17.
 
Game Dbl-figures Leaders:
Player Pts FG% 3P% FT% RB AS BL ST TO PF EFF
Russell 29 (46 /25 /67 )/ 4/ 6/ 0/ 4/ 4/ 2/+24
Clarkson 14 (35 /25 /0 )/ 5/ 5/ 0/ 4/ 3/ 1/+12
Randle 13 (50 /0 /50 )/11/ 3/ 0/ 1/ 1/ 5/+20 DD
Zubac 11 (56 /0 /50 )/ 6/ 1/ 3/ 1/ 1/ 1/+16
Ingram 11 (33 /20 /40 )/ 5/ 4/ 0/ 1/ 1/ 3/ +9
Nance 4 (50 /0 /0 )/12/ 2/ 3/ 2/ 2/ 2/+19
 
Next game(s):
SAS at LAL: Sun Feb 26 1230 Game 60
CHA at LAL: Tue Feb 28 1930 Game 61
BOS at LAL: Fri Mar 3 1930 Game 62
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LAL at OCT: Fri Feb 24 17:00:00 2017
 
NAME POST TIME LAL OPP DIFF VEC FROM
 
Actual Score 93 110 -17
 
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Quarterly Laker scoring leaders/notes (pluses OR/ST/BL; minuses TO/PF/oOR):
 
Q1 - Poor D and shooting have them 6 down - shooting 36% vs 50%; pluses 5/5/1;
minuses 2/6/1 - good pluses. Ingram 6, Russell/Zubac 4. 23-29=-6Q.
 
Q2 - Much better Q, but drop 1 more pt - shooting 48% vs 46%; pluses 2/3/1;
minuses 4/9/2. Clarkson 8, Russell 7, Zubac 4. 28-29=-1Q.
 
HT - Q1 was poor, but Q2 much better - now if they can hit their FTs and foul
less ... shooting 42% vs 48%; pluses 7/8/2; minuses 6/15/3. Russell 11,
Ingram/Zubac/Clarkson 8, Randle 5. 51-58=-7H.
 
Q3 - Terrible W for LA going down 20+ before closing at -16 - need to get
better shots and make them - shooting 28% vs 40%; pluses 3/4/4; minuses
3/1/7 - poor RBing too. Russell 10, Clarkson/Randle 4.
19-28=-9Q (70-86=-16).
 
Q4 - Lakers got it back to SD for a while, but can't maintain - shooting 48% vs
48%; pluses 5/3/2; minuses 4/3/4. Russell 8, Randle/Deng 4. 23-24=-1Q.
 
Team scoring by Q (FG%/FG-AT includes 3P%/3P-AT):
Lakers Opponent Lakers Opponent
Q FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG% 3P% FT% FG% 3P% FT% LAL OPP
1 10-28 2-12 1-4 11-22 3-5 4-6 35.7 16.7 25 50 60 66.7 23 29
2 12-25 3-7 1-4 10-22 1-6 8-10 48 42.9 25 45.5 16.7 80 28 29
H 22-53 5-19 2-8 21-44 4-11 12-16 41.5 26.3 25 47.7 36.4 75 51 58
3 7-25 2-10 3-3 12-30 4-8 0-1 28 20 100 40 50 0.0 19 28
A3 29-78 7-29 5-11 33-74 8-19 12-17 37.2 24.1 45.5 44.6 42.1 70.6 70 86
4 11-23 0-6 1-3 11-23 2-5 0-0 47.8 0.0 33.3 47.8 40 0 23 24
F 40-101 7-35 6-14 44-97 10-24 12-17 39.6 20 42.9 45.4 41.7 70.6 93 110
 
Team stats by Q (RB includes team RBs):
Lakers Opponent Diff
Q OR RB AS TO ST BL PF OR RB AS TO ST BL PF OR RB AS TO ST BL PF
1 5 14 6 2 5 1 6 1 14 10 5 2 1 3 +4 -4 -3 +3 +3
2 2 13 8 4 3 1 9 2 12 2 4 2 0 4 +1 +6 +1 +1 +5
H 7 27 14 6 8 2 15 3 26 12 9 4 1 7 +4 +1 +2 -3 +4 +1 +8
3 3 13 2 3 4 4 1 7 21 8 4 1 4 4 -4 -8 -6 -1 +3 -3
A3 10 40 16 9 12 6 16 10 47 20 13 5 5 11 -7 -4 -4 +7 +1 +5
4 5 11 7 4 3 2 3 4 12 8 4 4 2 3 +1 -1 -1 -1
F 15 51 23 13 15 8 19 14 59 28 17 9 7 14 +1 -8 -5 -4 +6 +1 +5
 
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ESPN Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 Tot
Los Angeles Lakers 23 28 19 23 93
Oklahoma City Thunder 29 29 28 24 110 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS PPM +/- EFF
J. Randle PF 29 6-12 0-1 1-2 3 11 3 1 1 0 5 13 .45 -- +20
B. Ingram SF 39 4-12 1-5 2-5 1 5 4 1 1 0 3 11 .28 -- +9
T. Black C 13 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 1 0 1 0 2 2 0 .00 -- +1
D. Russell PG 36 12-26 3-12 2-3 1 4 6 4 4 0 2 29 .81 -- +24
N. Young SG 20 1-9 1-8 0-0 0 5 0 0 2 0 1 3 .15 -- +2
L. Nance PF 25 2-4 0-0 0-0 6 12 2 2 2 3 2 4 .16 -- +19
L. Deng SF 18 3-9 0-1 0-0 2 2 2 0 0 0 1 6 .33 -- +4
C. Brewer SF 4 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .50 -- +1
I. Zubac C 27 5-9 0-0 1-2 1 6 1 1 1 3 1 11 .41 -- +16
J. Clarkson PG 29 6-17 2-8 0-2 0 5 5 3 4 0 1 14 .48 -- +12
T. Robinson PF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
T. Mozgov C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
J. Calderon PG DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 40-101 7-35 6-14 15 51 23 13 15 8 19 93
Percent 39.6% 20.0% 42.9%
 
Fast Break Points: 16
Points in Paint: 64
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 17 (28)
Flagrant Fouls: 0
Technical Fouls: 0
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS PPM +/- EFF
D. Sabonis PF 23 4-7 1-2 0-1 0 4 2 0 0 2 0 9 .39 -- +13
A. Roberson SF 29 8-9 3-3 0-2 2 7 1 2 1 1 1 19 .66 -- +24
S. Adams C 31 7-13 0-0 1-2 3 10 4 0 3 2 0 15 .48 -- +27
R. Westbrook PG 35 4-18 1-5 8-9 2 18 17 6 3 0 1 17 .49 -- +34
A. Abrines SG 29 7-13 5-11 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0 5 19 .66 -- +15
T. Gibson PF 21 6-13 0-0 0-0 1 4 1 0 1 0 2 12 .57 -- +11
J. Grant SF 20 3-3 0-0 1-1 0 2 0 0 1 1 1 7 .35 -- +11
D. McDermott SF 19 3-8 0-2 2-2 2 4 0 2 0 0 1 8 .42 -- +5
E. Kanter C 19 2-12 0-1 0-0 4 7 1 4 0 0 0 4 .21 -- -2
S. Christon PG 13 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 2 3 0 1 3 0 .00 -- +0
N. Collison PF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
J. Huestis SF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
K. Singler SF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 44-97 10-24 12-17 14 59 28 17 9 7 14 110
Percent 45.4% 41.7% 70.6%
 
Fast Break Points: 16
Points in Paint: 64
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 17 (28)
Flagrant Fouls: 0
Technical Fouls: 0
 
Game Information
Chesapeake Energy Arena, Oklahoma City, OK
Line: OKC -10.5
Over/Under: 222
Attendance: 18,203
100% Capacity: 18,203 Referees: Eric Lewis, Tony Brothers, Aaron Smith
 
 
NBA Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Los Angeles Lakers 23 28 19 23 93
Oklahoma City Thunde 29 29 28 24 110 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS PPM +/- EFF
Brandon Ingram F 38:38 4-12 1-5 2-5 1 5 4 1 1 0 3 11 .28 -23 +9
Julius Randle F 28:42 6-12 0-1 1-2 3 11 3 1 1 0 5 13 .45 -17 +20
Tarik Black C 13:21 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 1 0 1 0 2 2 0 .00 -15 +1
Nick Young G 20:28 1-9 1-8 0-0 0 5 0 0 2 0 1 3 .15 -18 +2
D'Angelo Russell G 35:34 12-26 3-12 2-3 1 4 6 4 4 0 2 29 .82 -19 +24
Ivica Zubac C 26:49 5-9 0-0 1-2 1 6 1 1 1 3 1 11 .41 +2 +16
Larry Nance Jr. F 25:27 2-4 0-0 0-0 6 12 2 2 2 3 2 4 .16 -4 +19
Jordan Clarkson G 29:13 6-17 2-8 0-2 0 5 5 3 4 0 1 14 .48 +1 +12
Luol Deng F 17:48 3-9 0-1 0-0 2 2 2 0 0 0 1 6 .34 +8 +4
Corey Brewer F 4:00 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .50 +0 +1
Jose Calderon G DNP
Timofey Mozgov C DNP
Thomas Robinson F DNP
Totals 240:0 40-101 7-35 6-14 15 51 23 13 15 8 19 93
Percent 39.6% 20.0% 42.9%
 
Biggest Lead: 1
Fastbreak Points: 22
Longest Run: 8
Points In Paint: 56
Points Off Turnovers: 28
Second Chance Points: 18
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS PPM +/- EFF
Andre Roberson F 29:23 8-9 3-3 0-2 2 7 1 2 1 1 1 19 .65 +34 +24
Domantas Sabonis F 23:26 4-7 1-2 0-1 0 4 2 0 0 2 0 9 .38 +27 +13
Steven Adams C 31:15 7-13 0-0 1-2 3 10 4 0 3 2 0 15 .48 +24 +27
Alex Abrines G 29:12 7-13 5-11 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0 5 19 .65 +25 +15
Russell Westbroo G 35:16 4-18 1-5 8-9 2 18 17 6 3 0 1 17 .48 +19 +34
Enes Kanter C 18:53 2-12 0-1 0-0 4 7 1 4 0 0 0 4 .21 -8 -2
Taj Gibson F 21:14 6-13 0-0 0-0 1 4 1 0 1 0 2 12 .57 -7 +11
Semaj Christon G 12:44 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 2 3 0 1 3 0 .00 -2 +0
Doug McDermott F 18:48 3-8 0-2 2-2 2 4 0 2 0 0 1 8 .43 -8 +5
Jerami Grant F 19:49 3-3 0-0 1-1 0 2 0 0 1 1 1 7 .35 -19 +11
Nick Collison F DNP
Josh Huestis F DNP
Kyle Singler F DNP
Totals 240:0 44-97 10-24 12-17 14 59 28 17 9 7 14 110
Percent 45.4% 41.7% 70.6%
 
Biggest Lead: 20
Fastbreak Points: 16
Longest Run: 7
Points In Paint: 64
Points Off Turnovers: 13
Second Chance Points: 15
 
Times Tied: 0; Lead Changes: 0
Attendance: 18203; Duration: 2:05
Officials: Tony Brothers, Eric Lewis, Aaron Smith
 
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Game flow URL: http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20170224&game=LALOCT
From http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400900267
 
1st Quarter
0-0 12:00 Tarik Black vs. Steven Adams (Alex Abrines gains possession)
0-0 11:44 Russell Westbrook bad pass (Nick Young steals)
0-0 11:29 Alex Abrines shooting foul (Brandon Ingram draws the foul)
1-0 11:29 Brandon Ingram makes free throw 1 of 2
1-0 11:29 Brandon Ingram misses free throw 2 of 2
1-0 11:29 Russell Westbrook defensive rebound
1-0 11:11 Steven Adams misses 5-foot two point shot
1-0 11:11 Thunder offensive team rebound
1-0 11:00 Russell Westbrook misses 19-foot jumper
1-0 11:00 Nick Young defensive rebound
1-0 10:48 Nick Young misses 24-foot three point jumper
1-0 10:47 Andre Roberson defensive rebound
1-2 10:36 Steven Adams makes 6-foot two point shot (Russell Westbrook assists)
3-2 10:17 D'Angelo Russell makes 17-foot two point shot
3-5 10:04 Alex Abrines makes 24-foot three point jumper (Russell Westbrook assists)
3-5 9:49 Julius Randle misses three point jumper
3-5 9:48 Andre Roberson defensive rebound
3-5 9:48 Andre Roberson lost ball turnover (Nick Young steals)
3-5 9:41 Nick Young misses 25-foot three point jumper
3-5 9:41 Tarik Black offensive rebound
5-5 9:37 Julius Randle makes 3-foot two point shot
5-7 9:22 Steven Adams makes dunk (Russell Westbrook assists)
5-7 9:11 D'Angelo Russell misses
5-7 9:10 Russell Westbrook defensive rebound
5-9 9:00 Andre Roberson makes layup (Russell Westbrook assists)
5-9 8:49 Brandon Ingram bad pass (Russell Westbrook steals)
5-9 8:48 Tarik Black personal foul (Russell Westbrook draws the foul)
5-9 8:38 Steven Adams misses
5-9 8:37 D'Angelo Russell defensive rebound
5-9 8:30 D'Angelo Russell misses 24-foot three point jumper
5-9 8:30 Thunder defensive team rebound
5-9 8:30 Tarik Black loose ball foul (Steven Adams draws the foul)
5-9 8:12 Domantas Sabonis misses 9-foot two point shot
5-9 8:12 Brandon Ingram defensive rebound
5-9 8:00 Julius Randle misses 9-foot two point shot
5-9 8:00 Andre Roberson defensive rebound
5-9 7:54 Russell Westbrook misses two point shot
5-9 7:52 Julius Randle defensive rebound
5-9 7:50 Andre Roberson shooting foul (Brandon Ingram draws the foul)
5-9 7:50 Brandon Ingram misses free throw 1 of 2
5-9 7:50 Lakers offensive team rebound
5-9 7:50 Ivica Zubac enters the game for Tarik Black
5-9 7:50 Brandon Ingram misses free throw 2 of 2
5-9 7:48 Russell Westbrook defensive rebound
5-11 7:45 Alex Abrines makes two point shot (Andre Roberson assists)
5-11 7:43 Lakers Full timeout
7-11 7:24 Ivica Zubac makes 8-foot two point shot (D'Angelo Russell assists)
7-13 7:13 Steven Adams makes 9-foot two point shot (Russell Westbrook assists)
9-13 7:01 Ivica Zubac makes two point shot (Brandon Ingram assists)
9-15 6:48 Andre Roberson makes two point shot (Russell Westbrook assists)
9-15 6:37 D'Angelo Russell misses Driving Floating Jump Shot
9-15 6:37 Russell Westbrook defensive rebound
9-15 6:31 Alex Abrines misses 25-foot three point jumper
9-15 6:31 Andre Roberson offensive rebound
9-18 6:24 Alex Abrines makes 24-foot three point jumper (Russell Westbrook assists)
12-18 6:09 Nick Young makes three point jumper (D'Angelo Russell assists)
12-18 5:54 Julius Randle personal foul (Domantas Sabonis draws the foul)
12-18 5:54 Larry Nance Jr. enters the game for Julius Randle
12-18 5:54 Enes Kanter enters the game for Domantas Sabonis
12-18 5:48 Russell Westbrook lost ball turnover (D'Angelo Russell steals)
15-18 5:33 Brandon Ingram makes 23-foot three point jumper (D'Angelo Russell assists)
15-18 5:13 Steven Adams misses 7-foot two point shot
15-18 5:13 Nick Young defensive rebound
15-18 5:05 Nick Young misses 24-foot three point jumper
15-18 5:03 Russell Westbrook defensive rebound
15-18 4:58 Russell Westbrook misses 25-foot three point pullup jump shot
15-18 4:58 Nick Young defensive rebound
$Bill <news@todbe.com>: Feb 28 01:38AM -0800

Preview from http://espn.go.com/nba/preview?gameId=400900300
 
Hornets stay in LA to take on Lakers
STATS LLC - 2017-02-28T03:48:04Z
 
LOS ANGELES -- In a matchup of struggling teams, the Charlotte Hornets face
the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday night at Staples Center.
 
The Hornets have stumbled badly during the past two months with a 6-19
record, which includes a 124-121 overtime loss to the Los Angeles Clippers
on Sunday. Kemba Walker scored 34 points and Nicolas Batum added 31 points
and eight rebounds, but a late turnover cost the Hornets, who are 0-5 this
season in overtime.
 
"We can't really stay focused on it and got to move forward," Batum said of
the overtime losses. "And next time, if we get overtime, we got to win this
game."
 
Charlotte (25-34) posted a 99-85 win over the Sacramento Kings on Saturday
to end a five-game losing streak and 12-game slide on the road. However,
that has been one of the few bright spots for the club in the new year.
 
A victory over the Lakers would give Charlotte coach Steve Clifford his
150th as head coach of the Hornets. Clifford, in his fourth season, would
join Allan Bristow and Paul Silas as the only Hornets coaches to win as
many games.
 
The Hornets have played without forward-center Cody Zeller (quad soreness)
and center Miles Plumlee (right calf strain). Zeller has missed the last
six games and Plumlee has sat out the last four. Zeller is listed as
questionable by the Hornets against the Lakers along with forward Marvin
Williams (shoulder strain).
 
In Zeller's and Plumlee's absences, center Frank Kaminsky has put together
solid performances. Kaminsky finished with 16 points and five rebounds
before fouling out with 4:21 left in regulation against the Clippers.
Kaminsky is averaging 17.7 points and 6.6 rebounds in the past nine games.
 
"I think he was starting to play better and better before Cody and then
Miles both got hurt," Clifford said. "The think I like about it is his
defense."
 
The Lakers (19-41) have lost four in a row and six of their last eight.
They also have dropped four straight to the Hornets. In their last meeting
in Charlotte on Dec. 20, Los Angeles blew a 19-point first-half lead in a
117-113 loss.
 
On Sunday, in a 119-98 setback to the San Antonio Spurs, the Lakers fell
behind by double digits in the first quarter and were unable to mount a
rally.
 
Coach Luke Walton wasn't pleased with the way the Lakers opened the game.
 
"We came out (Sunday) and I don't know if it was the early start or what,"
Walton said. "I love our guys and I'm supportive toward them and I think
they did a good job in the second half, but that first half, that can't
happen if we're trying to build and trying to get somewhere. That was
unacceptable."
 
Lakers rookie forward Brandon Ingram scored a career-high 22 points against
the Spurs on 10-of-15 shooting from the field, but with the exception of
point guard D'Angelo Russell (18 points), they were the only starters to
score in double figures.
 
Nineteen Lakers turnovers (resulting in 27 points) also didn't help.
 
On Monday, the Lakers waived little-used reserve guard Jose Calderon.
Calderon averaged 3.3 points and 2.1 assists in 24 games.
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Feb 28 08:58PM -0800

I thought the content and delivery was excellent. I was both saddened and amused by the butthurt on the left side. I'm glad that many wore white. It made their intolerant unpatriotic behavior more evident. Hopefully Americans will notice and in two years, they'll be even less of that ilk present in that chamber.
 
George Stephanopoulos did a nice job of reporting.
 
-Greg
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Feb 28 10:50AM -0600

Alan Baker wrote:
 
> Yes.
 
> And Trump is only now discovering it...
 
> ...after telling you all how "great" his plan was going to be...
 
Bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah!
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Feb 28 09:09AM -0800

On 2017-02-28 8:50 AM, MNMikeW wrote:
 
>> And Trump is only now discovering it...
 
>> ...after telling you all how "great" his plan was going to be...
 
> Bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah!
 
2015:
 
'1. At an American Airlines Center in Dallas last year, Mr. Trump said,
"Obamacare. We're going to repeal it, we're going to replace it, get
something great. Repeal it, replace it, get something great!"'
 
<http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-management-administration/8-striking-donald-trump-quotes-on-healthcare-repeal-it-replace-it-get-something-great.html>
 
Also:
 
'6. In an interview on "60 Minutes," Scott Pelley asked Mr. Trump about
his plans to fix the healthcare system.
 
"There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered.
This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they
say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private'… I am
going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or
not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're
taken care of now."'
 
 
And just 6 weeks ago:
 
'Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama's health-care
law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — "lower
numbers, much lower deductibles" — he said he is ready to unveil it
alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).'
 
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html>
 
Reconcile his statement now with his statement then, Mikey...
 
...if you can.
michaelunowho@gmail.com: Feb 28 09:23AM -0800

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:09:27 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
 
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html>
 
> Reconcile his statement now with his statement then, Mikey...
 
> ...if you can.
 
Grasping at straws, Shit Stain?
 
Bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah!
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Feb 28 10:21AM -0800

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:11:09 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> > - Obama tweet, 25 Feb 2010
 
> Right, he knew it was complicated, contrary to Trump saying "nobody
> knew" it was.
 
Nitpicking...
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Feb 28 10:30AM -0800

On 2017-02-28 10:21 AM, Dene wrote:
 
>> Right, he knew it was complicated, contrary to Trump saying "nobody
>> knew" it was.
 
> Nitpicking...
 
LOL!
 
'Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama's health-care
law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — "lower
numbers, much lower deductibles" — he said he is ready to unveil it
alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).'
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Feb 28 08:26PM -0500

On 02/28/2017 01:21 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>> Right, he knew it was complicated, contrary to Trump saying "nobody
>> knew" it was.
 
> Nitpicking...

You can't be serious. Obama, not being an idiot, knew it was complex up
front. Meanwhile Trump thought he had all the answers until very recently,
when his handlers finally managed to beat it into his big orange head that
he has no idea what's going on.
 
This is a bigger achievement than one might think at first, since Trump is
generally too clueless to understand the extent of his own cluelessness.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Feb 28 07:53PM -0500

On 02/28/2017 05:40 PM, John B. wrote:
 
>>> Not in the least. It's just true.
 
>> You democrats didn't consider slavery to be racism back than either.
 
> We democrats weren't born back then.

The far right likes to cling to the canard that because most southern
racists were Democrats 50 years go, they must all be Democrats now as
well. This ignores the factual reality that most southern whites are now
Republican. They left the Democratic party over issues like desegregating
the military, the schools, etc. This applies particularly to the racists.
It is a fact that the KKK endorsed Trump for president. So did an army of
neo-Nazis, skinheads and other such bottom-feeders.
 
It would be a nice surprise if we got some honesty from the far right
about this, but it will never happen. They just repeat this same stupid
crap every time the subject comes up.
BobbyK@Onramp.net: Feb 28 07:26PM -0600

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:53:00 -0500, Carbon
 
>It would be a nice surprise if we got some honesty from the far right
>about this, but it will never happen. They just repeat this same stupid
>crap every time the subject comes up.
 
Mainly from two simple-minded pricks that don't know any better.
Ultra-Right is incurable.
Moderate <nospam@nomail.com>: Feb 28 06:16PM -0600


> You don't see shit! The following has nothing to do with the question
> I was asked and my answer. I don't know isn't better off than they
> were in'08. Period.
 
No you want them working in the fields. That is why you don't see
or know any minorities.
 
 
--
BobbyK@Onramp.net: Feb 28 07:22PM -0600

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:16:29 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nospam@nomail.com>
wrote:
 
>> were in'08. Period.
 
>No you want them working in the fields. That is why you don't see
> or know any minorities.
 
Another stupid post from Mr. Stupid.
I'm including friends of mine who are minorities.
Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org>: Mar 01 12:23AM

How the hell could anyone not finish college.
 
What a dope!
Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org>: Mar 01 12:03AM

Money to get that college degree!
 
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>: Mar 01 12:50AM +0100

Actually I don't.
 
But this sure got me attention!
 
I win Michael, you loose. You are the true SHIT STAIN.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Feb 28 05:04PM -0600

>> Cuban government usually refused to accept them.
 
>> Notice, the ABC News reported.
 
> Notice, Mexico deported them.
 
And now you know why.
BobbyK@Onramp.net: Feb 28 05:13PM -0600

>> would be ridiculous to have to point them out to someone with an IQ of
>> room temperature.
 
>Yeah. I didn't think you could come up with one.
 
Please Mike,you're not serious are you? I should waste time looking
up and citing something that was in the news almost weekly during
Obama's first election and term?
 
Obama never advertised or promoted his books. He didn't have to.
 
LaVille is completely screwed up.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Feb 28 05:16PM -0600


> Please Mike,you're not serious are you? I should waste time looking
> up and citing something that was in the news almost weekly during
> Obama's first election and term?
 
Shouldn't be that hard then should it.
BobbyK@Onramp.net: Feb 28 05:35PM -0600

>> up and citing something that was in the news almost weekly during
>> Obama's first election and term?
 
>Shouldn't be that hard then should it.
 
Then you do it.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Feb 28 05:06PM -0600

> Twenty-eight posts between 3:59 and 4;00 PM, full of bromides,
> half-truths,lies and BS. Prolific but nugatory.
 
Baker is a busy boy.
BobbyK@Onramp.net: Feb 28 05:16PM -0600

>> Twenty-eight posts between 3:59 and 4;00 PM, full of bromides,
>> half-truths,lies and BS. Prolific but nugatory.
 
>Baker is a busy boy.
 
LOL, you might want to re-think that under the circumstances.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Feb 28 05:03PM -0600

David Laville wrote:
 
> http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e
 
> Looks like Canada already has an ID law. Have you ever heard him cry
> his civil rights were being violated?
 
Remember. He's only here to be an argumentative asshole. He's admitted it.
michaelunowho@gmail.com: Feb 28 09:00AM -0800

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:42:49 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > big loser was the taxpayer. One of the stupid things ACA did was
> > support these idiotic ventures with our money.
 
> > Greg
 
Get a life, Shit Stain.
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com: Feb 28 01:37PM -0800

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> with the few insurance companies who still participate in ACA.
> It's a matter of solvency.
 
> Ask the 23 co-ops who are out of business now. Only 13 remain.
 
13/23 = 56% surviving. How does this 56% compare to what the
general survival rates for new-start businesses?
 
Given all of the uncertainties with the ACA, I'm surprised
that the success rate has been this high so far.
 
> The big loser was the taxpayer. One of the stupid things ACA
> did was support these idiotic ventures with our money.
 
It is problematic to "Pick winners & losers" with public
funds, remember? Nevertheless, the basic principles of a
Mutual isn't really a bad thing from the public investment
perspective either, although they do have greater challenges
in having adequate reserves to manage. Point here is not
that I'm defending the choices they made for why they went
under inasmuch as by not having "deep pockets", they were
unable to recover from how/where they underestimated their
balance sheet of revenues vs expenses...even with their
advantage of not having to make profits for shareholders.
 
Which also illustrates how this "look at co-ops" is really
a dodge to sidestep the point of my last paragraph.
 
The point was that a corporation is, by definition, a self-
serving entity, where the primary goal isn't service but
for optimizing profits, which means that there's a fundamental
contradiction between maximizing healthcare service and to
minimize the costs of said healthcare services.
 
One example which was being pointed out is that some
customers cost more - - they're sicker/older/etc - - which
means that a business who can better avoid these less
profitable customers will make more profits.
 
And that's the tie to the quote about high-risk pools:
a for-profit corporation doesn't want those customers
because they're money-losers ... and the ACA's requirements
where things like pre-existing conditions were no longer a
legally permissible disqualifier was what the healthcare
insurance providers did not like.
 
 
Fundamentally, the healthcare "problem" is very simple: it
is a metric of just how much money in total is being spent
for what (outcome centric) product and if you set aside
the transient effects, what this simplifies down to is
a very simple model:
 
Individual pays $XXXX for healthcare
 
$XXXX gets divided between:
A - Healthcare services provider (hospital, MD)
B - Healthcare materials provider (supplies, drugs)
C - Healthcare documentation manager (insurance)
 
 
In simple terms, $XXXX = A + B + C
 
And if you want $XXXX to go down, then all you need to
decide is ... who ends up getting paid less? Will it
end up being A, B or C?
 
Make your choice and explain why.
 
-hh
michaelunowho@gmail.com: Feb 28 09:28AM -0800

Too bad the Shit Stain doesn't get paid per troll.
 
But, mommies pocketbook takes up the slack.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Feb 28 09:23AM -0800

6 weeks ago:
 
'President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is
nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama's signature
health-care law with the goal of "insurance for everybody," while also
vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government
on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.'
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html>
 
Now:
 
'"I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," Trump said.'
 
Then:
 
'Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama's health-care
law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — "lower
numbers, much lower deductibles" — he said he is ready to unveil it
alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).'
 
Now:
 
'"I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," Trump said.'
 
Then:
 
'"It's very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven't put it
in quite yet but we're going to be doing it soon," Trump said. He noted
that he is waiting for his nominee for secretary of health and human
services, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to be confirmed.'
[Tom Price was confirmed more than two weeks ago]
 
Now:
 
'"I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," Trump said.'
 
Then:
 
'"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump said. "There was a
philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get
it. That's not going to happen with us." People covered under the law
"can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified
form. Much less expensive and much better."'
 
Now:
 
'"I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," Trump said.'
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Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Feb 28 06:43PM -0800

Edmonton bound
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Feb 28 07:20PM -0800

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 9:43:05 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> Edmonton bound
 
Well I didn't think they'd find a taker, I have to admit. Brandon Davidson certainly would have been a hotter commodity 12 months ago than he is today. But he's still a young-ish depth defender. Fairly affordably signed for next season. 25 years old, $1.425M cap hit next year.
 
In a way, Davidson reminds me of a couple years ago when Redmond was on a pretty terrible Colorado D, and he got some props and some analytics love or something, he was trending. But then the next year he couldn't hold a spot, and the year after he was in the minors.
 
Last year the Oilers D was nothing like this year. Davidson got a little more hype and exposure than anybody might have expected. And a contract to go with it. This year... he has 1 assist in 28 games and can't crack the top-6 for their D. So we probably shouldn't expect a lot.
 
But hey, we have 8D again... at least for 24 hours. Benn, Davidson, and Nesterov is a fresh look for #6/7/8 anyway. And with Benn and Davidson both signed for next year, it seems likely they're part of the overall plan.
 
So then the followup speculation is whether they have the depth now to trade Beaulieu.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Feb 28 07:32PM -0800

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 9:43:05 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> Edmonton bound
 
And incidentally, I have no prediction whatsoever what DD will accomplish in Edmonton. He could do anything from a shocking renaissance and a near-ppg pace to falling into the pressbox and oblivion. Really no idea. His recent tenure in Habsland was such an oddity overall, it's hard to project what he'll do outside of that bubble.
 
Anyway, I wish him well. He seemed like a good guy, for all that he became a lightning rod for us. He had a couple good years where he was a fun and appreciated contributor too before things just got a little weird. And a few clutch moments even in the weird times.
 
l8r,
Gerry
The Mad Ape <chiefape@gmail.com>: Feb 28 07:34PM -0800

A new miracle on ice
 
TMA
The Mad Ape <chiefape@gmail.com>: Feb 28 07:43PM -0800

HIO: Late-breaking: DD dealt to Edmonton for Defenceman Brandon Davidson! Black armbands ordered for L'Antichambre.
 
Buwahahahaha
 
TMA
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: Feb 28 01:35PM -0800

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 8:27:09 PM UTC-8, Chuck wrote:
> I think the Wild over paid for what could be a rental player. Montreal would have been stupid if they'd been as willing
 
Yeah, I'm utterly baffled by the folks such as Mike Boone at the Gazette who are claiming that the Wild got "a steal" here.
 
Bergevin's strategy at the trade deadline has never really bothered me. The Vanek deal was a nice pickup (that didn't end up working out all that well), so he's shown he's willing to make a major move, but he's resisted the nonsense that if you don't make a big move at the deadline you're somehow not a serious team. I get why the media promotes that myth -- they need stories to write -- but not sure why fans and even some executives seem to fall for it.
 
Jim
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Feb 28 01:56PM -0800

So much of hockey is team play, chemistry, systems... and even, yes, luck. The idea that adding a relatively average player somehow will make a difference really never makes sense to me. Not for 20ish games, anyway. Even the better players, it's always just an incremental improvement over the guy they replace, and the guy they replace is generally at least somewhat competent given the acquiring teams are sitting in playoff spots.
 
Giving up future blocks for the likes of Hanzal, Smith, and Boyle doesn't make sense to me either. I'm definitely satisfied if Bergevin continues to just stay low key.
 
l8r,
Gerry
gorgofromns@gmail.com: Feb 28 06:22PM -0800

I agree. I don't see anyone on the discussion lists that would really vault the Habs to contender status. Yes there are guys that would help and would be an improvement, but none would be a piece that will win us a cup. Only way we would win is if Price wins it for us.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Feb 23 09:06AM -0500

Mike wrote:
 
> http://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-nhl-head-coach-was-reportedly-
fired-for-abusing-a-player
> Therrien was fired shortly after. Needless to say this may
> drastically impact his ability to find another job in the
> NHL.
 
OOOoooooooooo! Juicy!
 
Yeah, that would have shaken up MB enough to finally kick
MT out of the Foxhole. When your world-class, A-number one
goalie gets involved, you sit up and take notice.
 
Considering everything I've heard/read about Price, it
must have been one hum-dinger of a beatdown for him to
step in, if the rumor is true. And I'd bet that it was
not the first beatdown that was witnessed by Price or
the rest of the team. Last straw and all of that.
 
If similar events *had* been occurring over the past
couple of years to other players, it's a wonder that
something like this hadn't happened sooner. Or maybe
it had, but not after a losing streak or to a less
experienced (younger) player in less public (to the
rest of the team) circumstances.
 
Yep, MT will be back in the TV analyst chair, at best.
His coaching career is toast unless some marginal European
team takes a chance on him.

Thanks for posting that!
 
Nyssa, who loves a juicy piece of gossip, especially when
it fits in with previous stories of bullying by MT
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Feb 22 10:45PM -0400

http://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-nhl-head-coach-was-reportedly-fired-for-abusing-a-player
 
Normally I'd say take it with a grain of salt but given Therrien's past,
I say that there could be truth in this story and if there is, it calls
into question Bergevin's judgment for hiring him and sticking with him
as long as he did.
 
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
 
There are shocking reports of a locker room incident coming from
multiple sources.
 
While the firing of Montreal Canadiens head coach Michel Therrien came
as a huge shock to many the reason why he was fired may be the real
story here, and it's an ugly one.
 
According to a report from Max Truman of DLC on February 9th following a
game against the Philadelphia Flyers, Therrien unleashed a verbal tirade
on Habs forward Andrew Shaw, one that did not sit well with players.
That story was corroborated by Martin Leclerc of Radio-Canada this
morning when he stated that Therrien had gone far beyond just calling
out Shaw regarding the game of hockey and that it degenerated into
personal verbal attacks against the veteran forward.
 
 
It's at that point that one of the locker room leaders stood up and told
Therrien that enough was enough, and while this is only speculation,
Truman believes the unidentified player who spoke out was none other
than Carey Price. Price was rumored to have clashed with Therrien
although at the time there was no report that it could be related to
Shaw, and according to that rumor Therrien had told Price to content
himself with stopping pucks, Truman now believes that both incidents
took place on the same night.
 
We now know that less than a week later locker room leaders met with
general manager Marc Bergevin and Therrien was fired shortly after.
Needless to say this may drastically impact his ability to find another
job in the NHL.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Feb 23 01:28PM -0500

Jim Bauch wrote:
 
>> to ever work for another team again, though.
 
> Assuming Quebec doesn't get another team, I agree.
 
> Jim
 
You think MT would even be in the running with Patrick
Roy in waiting?
 
I'd love to see a team back in QC and I'll volunteer the
Hurricanes to be the team to relocate.
 
Nyssa, who really doesn't like NC at all
Marty <martytest2004@hotmail.com>: Feb 26 12:07AM -0600

How, as a newsgroup, do we not brag we got a 14 game win streak against
the Leafs? Ha! I don't give a F if they have a bright future, Montreal is
delaying it! LOL. Good job Habs.
 
I used to think the Habs took the Leafs team too lightly and gave up easy
points against a team that really, really wanted to beat them (historical
reference: Nordiques; Quebec). They have apparently learned lessons and
understand the Leafs play extra hard against them. They figured out they
should match the Leaf's level of play regardless of the fact they don't
actually respect/hate them like the do, say, the Bruins.
 
Anyway, forget the future of the Leafs for a minute. Montreal buried this
team 14 games straight. That is pretty damn awesome! :) If the Leafs
have a bright future, Montreal delayed it.
 
Marty
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Feb 23 11:21AM -0400

On 02/23/2017 10:44 AM, Stanley wrote:
>> Been hearkng lots on TSN 690 about this Twitter shitstorm creared by Pateryn's wife. They keep alluding to some controversial anti-French comments by her but nobody spells out just what she said. Anybody know just what the comments were and can you share them? As for me, I'm inclined to give Pateryn a pass especially since it was his wife, not him, that said them. One of the francophone talking heads said that he, personally, wasn't offended by what was said.
 
> If you google "Pateryn wife" her comments will come up on the first page of the search results. I don't want to repeat them, they are pretty crude. I can see how the Francophone establishment wouldn't like it either.
 
> Stanley
 
She picked the wrong time to open her yap - new coach and all. I suspect
Pateryn would have found himself in the lineup over Nesterov eventually.
Only way out of this for Pateryn is to give her the heave-ho unless he's
already demanded the trade. Too bad really. I always felt he'd be a good
bottom pairing guy and maybe a #4 guy. Another young player who was sent
to the Therrien Abuse School. A shame.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Feb 23 09:10AM -0500

> his wife, not him, that said them. One of the francophone
> talking heads said that he, personally, wasn't offended by
> what was said.
 
I second the request. I heard the incident mentioned in
passing, but no solid details or quotes.
 
I also agree that since it was his wife and not Pateryn
himself, he should be given a pass, although a mention
to said wife about decorum, job security, and paydays
might not be out of order.
 
Nyssa, who knows that one adult cannot be responsible for
another adult's actions
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Feb 18 08:47AM -0500

Mike wrote:
 
> players is now in the open and well known. Anitchambre for
> you buddy now. You can pick on players there all you like.
> You're just another voice in the crowd.
 
And he cost us PK, the damage of which to the team will be
felt down the road when Weber starts showing his age and
PK is back to being in contention for the Norris.
 
If only this move could have come sooner!
 
I hope that Pateryn and the other kids now can get the
ice time and real coaching/mentoring they need to develop
into the best they can be at the NHL level.
 
Let's hope the nightmare is finally and truly over.
 
Nyssa, who is looking forward to this afternoon's game
with her pet on the first line
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Feb 24 01:01PM -0400

No more ole ole for us. Nope, fro now on its this
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WlO_xeeS2E
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Feb 21 07:35PM -0500

Chuck wrote:
 
> change a face in the team photo. They already tried that,
> swapping Subban for Weber. It would be just a pointless
> lateral move
 
I'll need to hear it from a more credible source than Eklund
before I start to panic.
 
I agree that shuffling the deck chairs is pointless, especially
if it costs us the future. Now that we've got a new coach who
may just click with these kids where MT bullied them instead
is worth the wait.
 
It's also not like a pointless lateral move would suddenly
make us a real contender for the Cup this season. Let the
new coach settle in before hand.
 
What's that? There isn't time before the trade deadline
to give CJ time? Well, whose fault is that for waiting
so freekin' long before finally pulling the plug on MT?
 
Nyssa, who would rather see NO moves at the deadline unless
they are upgrades without selling the future down the river
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Feb 21 04:43PM -0400

Three wins could go a long way to putting a stop to the bleeding and
getting them on the right track. Even two wins would be a decent week.
Anything less than 4 points and they're still in the mud. Lose all 3 and
I'm betting they miss the playoffs. This is a big week.
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Feb 22 08:40PM -0400

On 02/22/2017 12:04 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Incidentally, watching last night's game, I couldn't help but feel a sense of deja vu... although it didn't end up costing them this time. But it could have.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Yep, as soon as it happened I yelled out "Shawsie does it again. 200
feet from his own net"
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